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re: Official Free Agency and Trade Thread: Latest Pels sign Charles Cooke to 2 way
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:32 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:32 am to Epic Cajun
Lin seems more likely than any other trade targets i've seen.
but the Nets would probably want to find a more attractive package for a swap/dump than the 1sts the Pels can offer. maybe they just bet that the Pels will frick everything up (not a bad bet) and take 2018 + 2019 swap rights + Asik for Lin
but the Nets would probably want to find a more attractive package for a swap/dump than the 1sts the Pels can offer. maybe they just bet that the Pels will frick everything up (not a bad bet) and take 2018 + 2019 swap rights + Asik for Lin
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Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:35 am to corndeaux
It just kills me that the sun's are willing to take on bad contracts.
We should be able to use picks and asik to get Bledsoe
We should be able to use picks and asik to get Bledsoe
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:36 am to corndeaux
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maybe they just bet that the Pels will frick everything up (not a bad bet) and take 2018 + 2019 swap rights + Asik for Lin
I don't really see a late teens/20's pick and Asik for Lin as a bad deal. Also, I don't think there will be a huge market out there for Lin. Not many teams need a PG.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:46 am to Epic Cajun
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It just kills me that the sun's are willing to take on bad contracts.
We should be able to use picks and asik to get Bledsoe
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Also, I don't think there will be a huge market out there for Lin. Not many teams need a PG.
Marks thinks about half the teams in the league will be at or above the tax line next summer. if im Phoenix/BK i'm holding out for something better in a salary dump than two 1sts from the Pels. especially since i'm also giving up competent NBA players. E'Twaun Moore likely does nothing to sweeten that offer for those teams
ETA- of course, that doesnt mean there will be something better than bad contracts and firsts from the Pels. so maybe it can be done
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I don't really see a late teens/20's pick and Asik for Lin as a bad deal.
for the Pels, absolutely given where they are. not great for the Nets though, unless they just think the Pels will fall flat on their face and end up in the lottery w/ Boogie walking next summer.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 7:48 am
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:08 am to corndeaux
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E'Twaun Moore likely does nothing to sweeten that offer for those teams
Moore included in these trades to bad teams has always seemed like a piece better suited for a 3rd team. A 1st seems high for Moore, but maybe you can get another teams Diallo/Jackson and a 2nd.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:12 am to TigerinATL
Also, regarding Bledsoe, the last time a non Super Star PG was traded for more than 1 pick was Dragic to Miami where they got what were essentially 2 late 1sts. I don't see why they'd expect much more in this market.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:28 am to TigerinATL
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Pelicans Podcaster? @SilverAndMac 5 minutes ago
I'd be interested to know if Boston gets a better offer than Ajinca, Qpon, and a top 5 protected pick for Crowder
This wouldn't really help Boston if their goal is to free up cap space. You'd have to pay to divert Ajinca/QPon to a 3rd team. But it'd be a good acquisition. I think Crowder is overrated because of his great contract, but he is a good player and that contract still has 3 years at $7 per left on it. It also lets you play Hill at backup SF and PF and probably means you don't need Cunningham.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:34 am to TigerinATL
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This wouldn't really help Boston if their goal is to free up cap space. You'd have to pay to divert Ajinca/QPon to a 3rd team. But it'd be a good acquisition. I think Crowder is overrated because of his great contract, but he is a good player and that contract still has 3 years at $7 per left on it. It also lets you play Hill at backup SF and PF and probably means you don't need Cunningham.
Yea, I don't think that Qpon would be included in the deal. It would make more sense as Ajinca + first for Crowder. That way the Celtics only have to trade away Rozier in order to make the Hayward signing work. They could keep Smart.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:42 am to TigerinATL
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Dragic to Miami where they got what were essentially 2 late 1sts
could be, but the 2021 pick is unprotected. thats a big caveat. Miami is a good organization in a shitty conference. maybe they dont get burned by that. but Riley is 72. a lot can change in 3-4 years.
ETA- that first Miami pick is 1-7 protected this year, then unprotected next. likely mid 1st this year, but if things go south for Miami....
maybe 2 firsts is a fat offer. i do wonder if the value of 1st will start to decrease some over where they have been the past few years.
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I'd be interested to know if Boston gets a better offer than Ajinca, Qpon, and a top 5 protected pick for Crowder
i would think Crowder fields some interesting offers. he's not an all-star, despite what Boston fans might say, but literally every team in the league wants a good two way 3/4, who has 3/$22M left.
if there's a way for the Pels to get him in a dump + pick, that is a home-run.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 8:46 am
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:45 am to Epic Cajun
If they are looking to free up space, then why wouldn't you trade them Toupane's ungaruanteed contract?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:52 am to TeddyPadillac
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If they are looking to free up space, then why wouldn't you trade them Toupane's ungaruanteed contract?
The Pels have to match salaries, because at the moment they are over the cap (or seem to be operating that way).
What they could do is trade Ajinca + protected 1st to Boston, Qpon + Rozier + cash to third team, Crowder to Pels. That would give the Celtics the room to sign Hayward.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:53 am to TeddyPadillac
All they need to send out is $3.8 million. QPon alone could get it done. QPon + Cook to a 3rd team, 1st to Boston, Crowder to NOLA. I know people want to see what Cook becomes, but you're getting a good starter on a great contract. A 1st and the next Ish Smith is a small amount to give up for that.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 8:59 am to TigerinATL
quote:Would love Crowder on his contract.
All they need to send out is $3.8 million. QPon alone could get it done. QPon + Cook to a 3rd team, 1st to Boston, Crowder to NOLA. I know people want to see what Cook becomes, but you're getting a good starter on a great contract. A 1st and the next Ish Smith is a small amount to give up for that.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:00 am to TigerinATL
Toupane has slighty bigger contract then Cook.
Michael Jordan Crawford is also NG. It does not need to be Cook.
It is opportunity cost
Michael Jordan Crawford is also NG. It does not need to be Cook.
It is opportunity cost
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:03 am to pawel
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Toupane has slighty bigger contract then Cook.
Michael Jordan Crawford is also NG. It does not need to be Cook.
If you are sending QPon to a 3rd team with cap space then I think the sweetener needs to be a younger prospect than Crawford. But I'd love to sell high on Instant Grits. If they sign a Rondo/Lawson plus Nick Young or CJ Miles then the back court is crowded and Crawford isn't needed.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:04 am to pawel
Are there any legs to all this talk or just wishful fan dreaming?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:06 am to TigerinATL
If it is sweetener -agree. Cook has some upside. Thought that you mentioned him as salary filler.
Crawford might have reached his ceiling last season. Hopefully not...
Crawford might have reached his ceiling last season. Hopefully not...
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:08 am to Chad504boy
I'm wondering same chad
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:08 am to Chad504boy
It's probably a bit of both. We know Boston has to give up a desirable player without taking much salary back to make room for Hayward. The Pels are capable of doing that, the question is can/will other teams beat what the Pels can offer.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 9:09 am
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:10 am to pawel
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If it is sweetener -agree. Cook has some upside. Thought that you mentioned him as salary filler.
No, like I said, QPon alone is enough to get it done with the new CBA changing the old 150% rule to 175%. But a 3rd team isn't going to take QPon without getting something in return, so that means Cook, Jackson or a 2nd.
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