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re: Official 2015 Pelicans Talk Free Agency Thread

Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:24 pm to
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

So we basically can't get anything but minimums from here on out because of the hard cap, right?


Right. Even if Cole walks it doesn't matter other than it puts us $3 million further away from the Apron.
Posted by LosLobos111
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:14 pm to
What about dumping douglas? Would that help like any?

I still think dell will do something as there's been more smoke the past few days.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 10:18 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:28 pm to
With just the 9 signed players we're at $74. Add 4 minimum guys you're at $78. Upgrade 2 of those guys with the BAE and MLE remainder and you're at $78. This is with letting Cole leave. You're 5 away from the tax and $9 from the apron.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 10:30 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:28 pm to
Obviously we aren't that worried about being hard capped if we went after Mo. So they are going to get someone.

I mean what's the point of even having someone like He on the Summer League team if we can't even sign him?
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:30 pm to
Every time I think I fully understand the cap, you go and post something like that.

I' m not afraid to say I don't understand the Hardcap at all.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:31 pm to
Dell has certainly not been operating like someone focused on flexibility in the next year.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 10:32 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:33 pm to
I deleted my example because it was a bit off. Going from memory and on my phone isn't the best environment. I'll have to see if I can come up with a better example tomorrow. And I didn't know about the hard capping until it was brought up a few days ago, so most of us feel like that.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 10:35 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:33 pm to
Well I mean what choice does he have? He can't have a 9 player team.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:15 pm to
I'm waiting on Alexey Shved
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:22 pm to
What's he good at?

His shooting is bad from what I can see.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 7:51 am to
I've done several calculations and it's really hard to come up with a single trade where we take more than $4-$5 million back. Now multiple lopsided trades could do it, but that seems pretty unlikely. So I honestly wouldn't be too worried about hard capping other than you do have to choose between Cole and all of your exceptions. If you use your exceptions to add 2 more players, keep Cole for the QO, and use one or (likely) more minimum(s) to get the roster up to at least 13, you'll be around the tax and close enough to the Apron that it could affect trades during the year.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 7:57 am
Posted by corndeaux
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:54 am to
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 10:09 am to




quote:

What's he good at?

His shooting is bad from what I can see


He's a near minimum player, most of them arent good at much.

But he played well down the stretch for the Knicks last season. Averaged 18 PPG 5 RPG 4 APG 43% FG 40% 3P (20/50) in 9 starts.

Could be a Vasquez/Bellini type guy

He's still young and has played on terrible teams since he's been in the league. Good team and good system could do him wonders. Really just a cheap pickup with some upside IMO
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:14 am to
How much is Shved going to make? If it's a cheap deal, he could be an interesting pick up.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:38 am to
Sounds like the Knicks are deciding on Shved, willie green and Carin butler for their $2.8m exception
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:22 pm to
So, Zach Lowe included a comment in his latest Grantland piece about Davis, which some of the MSB tards are trying to use to mock the Pelicans.

quote:

It’s easy to look at a spreadsheet and criticize the Pelicans. The combination of restricted free agency and the ability to offer a super-max “Derrick Rose Rule” contract gave them about as much leverage as any team will have over a star player. Signing the one-year qualifying offer, as Greg Monroe did to shake free of Detroit, would have cost Davis $16 million in 2016-17 and as much as $30 million over the course of five years. He wasn’t going to do it.

But the Pelicans aren’t the Spurs, and Davis isn’t Leonard. He’s a generational superstar, and making him wait a year might have irked him. If things went poorly, Davis could have signed a three-year deal with another team, forced the Pelicans to match, and started the clock ticking toward his inevitable and premature divorce from New Orleans.

The Pelicans couldn’t afford even that small risk — not with a player like this, in a small market familiar with losing stars to glitzier places. Sometimes, spreadsheets don’t matter.


My response:

quote:

So, the Pelicans create $10M in cap space. So what? Nobody available for $10M this year was putting this team over the top. Furthermore, you sacrifice your MLE by going under the cap. You would end up bringing back nearly the same roster or minimal upgrade by offering that $10M in a long term deal, actually costing yourself an additional $10M of flexibility in next year's free agency period when Davis gets the same amount of money.

I'd rather add that $10M in flexibility to next year's books where we have about $24M expiring. Lowe was pretty short-sighted in that analysis.


I didn't see discussion here about it, so I wanted to kind of nip the negativity in the bud. I do agree with Lowe, though, you give him what he deserves a year earlier than you're forced to and he will be ingratiated.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:27 pm to
Aww you ran away

Your comment doesn't makes sense because he said this:

quote:

A word on the Pelicans: They sacrificed about $10 million in cap space next summer by extending Davis now instead of letting him into restricted free agency as San Antonio did with Kawhi Leonard.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 12:29 pm
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:09 pm to
Cap space doesn't mean as much as it used to. Demps clearly thinks he can move one of Ajinca/Asik at some point. And probably thinks he can move Evans or Holiday if necessary next summer. He also may be looking at deals for Gordon or Anderson. He's not wrong based on what we've seen this summer. Of course, he probably also thought he could move Gordon 4 years ago too.

For a team like the Pelicans, you have to offer Davis the richest contract in history as soon as possible. They need to legitimize themselves as a serious organization that will take care of premier talent. The Spurs might be the only team in the league with the clout to pull off what they did with Leonard. As always, the Spurs are an exception to the rule.
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
39600 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:10 pm to
I have no opinion on the article. Just enjoyed making fun of him. Carry on.
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50399 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:11 pm to
People are going to freak about the Boozer interest but you can do a lot worse for a backup big at less than $3m.
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