re: Offensively, Jordan Hawkins has Klay/Reggie/Rip like potential.

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DJ- 4 (7.1)
CJ- 9 (8.5)
Herb-4 (3.6)
Jose- 4 (3.7)
Hawk- 5 (4.4)
Trey- 8 (7.8)
BI- 5 (3.8)

Very realistic and only accounts for 7 players.

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Not realistic as you didn't factor in minutes per game.

Those 6 players combined last season for 198 minutes per game. They will not combine for that many minutes this season.

You only have 42 minutes left, and you didn't account for Zion, Theis, or the 10th man in the rotation, like Green.

I'm not even sure by the 2nd half of the season if Hawkins will be in the regular rotation over Green, that's definitely not an assumption we can pencil in.

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Not realistic as you didn't factor in minutes per game.

Those 6 players combined last season for 198 minutes per game. They will not combine for that many minutes this season.

You only have 42 minutes left, and you didn't account for Zion, Theis, or the 10th man in the rotation, like Green.

I'm not even sure by the 2nd half of the season if Hawkins will be in the regular rotation over Green, that's definitely not an assumption we can pencil in.

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BI or CJ wont be here this time next year so its probably imperative they play Hawk 20 mins a night to at least gain discrete data points on his capability to replace either as a 6th man.

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DJ- 4 (7.1)
CJ- 9 (8.5)
Herb-4 (3.6)
Jose- 4 (3.7)
Hawk- 5 (4.4)
Trey- 8 (7.8)
BI- 5 (3.8)

Very realistic and only accounts for 7 players.

Not realistic as you didn't factor in minutes per game.

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Seems to me...it's much more simple to just say we're gonna shoot a WHOLE lot more 3s this coming season than we have in the past.

Stats would seem to make it fairly obvious where we are headed, in this regard.

3Pt Attempt Rate...over past 3 years. (21-22...22-23...23-24)
Herb...29.3...33.3...46.4
CJ......36.1...40.4...52.8
Trey....67.1...62.1...71.7
Murray23.7...29.3...37.9
Jose...37.4...50.5...54.0
Hawk...N/A...N/A...65.4
Ingram.23.0...19.6...23.8 (Yikes)

What this tells me? Basically, everybody except BI has, %-wise, shot more 3s EACH of the past 3 years. I expect this trend to continue this next season...and 40 3Pt attempts per game should be easily doable...especially with JV and Nance, Jr gone and hopefully Herb being able to handle the "5" & to see his % of 3-Pt attempts to continue to rise. Also, be nice if BI can shoot a few more 3s...if that's not asking too much.

He has to stay consistent in the preseason. Needs to keep shooting but not turn the ball over.

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30/ 20
30/ 18
30/ 30
30/ 4
30/ 18

That's a full 10 man rotation

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There is exactly a 0.0% chance no single player plays more than 30 minutes per game.

This is, again, not at all a realistic scenario that has any chance of actually happening.

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Those 6 players combined last season for 198 minutes per game. They will not combine for that many minutes this season.

Murray/Jose
CJ/ Hawk
BI/ Trey
Zion/ Karlo
Herb/ Theis

30/ 20
30/ 18
30/ 30
30/ 4
30/ 18

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There is exactly a 0.0% chance no single player plays more than 30 minutes per game

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So this was a response to you saying "they won't play that many minutes" in which you responded that they will actually play even more minutes?

What are you trying to argue here?

Are you trying to say that the 3's will go down because CJ/ BI/ Trey will play even more minutes than Hawk/ Jose? That doesn't make sense.

Above is a 9 man rotation with everyone 18+ minutes and an extra 4 for Karlo.

30/ 18
28/ 18
32/ 32
32/ 0
32/ 18

Is that better? Serious question do you actually think JG, Reeves, JRE, and Missi are getting any playing time with a healthy roster? The answer is probably no unless we are destroying teams or somehow in foul trouble.

If you want to argue then give me YOUR minute breakdown where these scrubs are getting 20+minutes with a legit 9-10 man rotation

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So this was a response to you saying "they won't play that many minutes" in which you responded that they will actually play even more minutes?

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No, what are you talking about?

They will play less minuets than last year. They won't all play 30 minutes or less. What is it about those 2 points that escape you? Because that will be the case.

On the flip side, you used their 3pt attempts last season and are telling me they're going to shoot just as many 3s per game while you have those 7 guys playing 40 minutes less per game

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What are you trying to argue here?

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How do I possibly make it more clear?

I'll just repeat.

There is a 0% chance the 7 players you mentioned will play 198 minutes per game. Zero, it's laughable to suggest otherwise.

There is a 0% chance our highest MPG guy is 30 MPG. Zero, it's laughable to suggestion otherwise.

Does that help you understand what I'm saying?

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Are you trying to say that the 3's will go down because CJ/ BI/ Trey will play even more minutes than Hawk/ Jose? That doesn't make sense.

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I'm trying to say EXACTLY what I said, which part of that you are not grasping right now?

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If you want to argue then give me YOUR minute breakdown

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Quick breakdown without any thought, and this isn't necessarily the opening rotation, but the main rotation in general as we go forward:

Murray 34
CJ 31
BI 32
Zion 32
Theis 18
Herb 28
Trey 28
Jose 17
Hawkins 10
Green 10


I put Hawkins and Green with the same amount, as I'd expect Hawkins to get more rotation minutes to start the season but more than likely, Green to get more minutes than Hawkins at some point during the season, so I just split the difference.

The above rotation also doesn't factor some nights we will probably use a 2nd big, a little bit of Karlo or Missi. Very little, but that's in play as well.


Note - The 2 main points I had. Zero chance our highest MPG guy is 30mpg, see my rotations.

Note - Me saying the 7 guys you mentioned playing 198 minutes, which isn't feasible(as we aren't running a 7 or 8 man rotation obviously), I have playing a much more realistic 178 minutes.

Note - Me saying they will all in total play less minutes compared to last season does not equate to me saying they will play 30 minutes or less per game. Not sure why you tried to make that argument, that's silly. See above as proof.

The better question you need to answer is how are those 7 guys shooting 37 3s per game last season or whatever the number was you said on 198 minutes ...your new rotation has them playing 158 minutes, but you're still using the 37 3s as the benchmark.

You also have Herb playing 30 minutes per night at the 5, you realize that right?

This the part where you should acknowledge that you wont even begin to agree or process what has been posted int his thread. Just say "I disagree" and put the computer down.

Val/ Nance/ Naji played 63 minutes last year. Only about 30 will go to Theis/ Karlo/ JRE. The other 30 will be extra minutes spread between our (8) man rotation.

That's an extra 30minutes of game with higher 3pt attempts...

CJ/ BI shoot 22 mid range shots a game. Even converting 1/3 into 3pt would be +7 attempts.
30min without Val/ Nance could def add 3+ 3pt attempts.

That's +10 3pt attempts from simple changes made and not even "increasing 3pt shots".

Kittles had handle and could get to the rack. He was a physical guy for being so skinny

Hawkins needs to focus on not being a liability on defense

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I've seen some homer takes, but wow.

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I concur. Alot of optimism for a guy who was woefully subpar at Summer League, where the team goal was to see if Jordan could run the 1... Disaster. Hence, Jose gets a new contract. Do not kidd yourself thinking the two are unrelated...

Jordan will have opportunity to get rotational minutes AGAIN bc of Trey's injury. But, AGAIN, Jordan staying in the rotation will be primarily based upon his Defense and rebounding. His scoring doesn't move the needle in Willie's eyes.

If he fails, then you will see Jervontae eat the minutes on the wing that are left after Trey gets back.

Personally, I believe Jordan is trade bait to include in any Brandon deal as a "1st round pick", if necessary... When Brandon goes, so does Jordan, similar to DiVencio in the Kat/Randle deal. It is what it is...