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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:06 pm to Chalkywhite84
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:06 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:
Has a killer instinct, something we can't say about Ingram.
Ingram is also going to be 24, Lillard is going to be 31.
Yes he has a killer instinct, know who else now "has a killer instinct"? Young guys like Murray (last year), Spider, Booker, and Trae (all this year).
Ingram could very well become that, we're missing more than just a PG.
quote:
Vets would come here to play with dame and Zion.
Which vets, because if I'm a ring chaser --- still going to brooklyn, LA, etc over milwaukee, new orleans.
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Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:22 pm to htran90
quote:
Yeah he makes a clutch shot at the end, but he's inefficient the other 90% of the game.
So he needs to go to a team with someone that is efficient, nay hyperefficient, for the first 90% of the game.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:28 pm to Chalkywhite84
quote:
Vets would come here to play with dame and Zion.
major assumption
just like the hopes and prayers we get Covington back, somehow, too
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:41 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Correct, but as I understand it we have 2 seasons of Zion's rookie contract plus the season on the QO, so a total of 3 seasons with Zion locked into the Pels per his contract...right?
Pretty sure taking the QO makes you unrestricted the next offseason and free to sign anywhere, that’s the “upside” in doing it.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
just saw supposed trade for ingram
gsw gets ingram
pels
get wiggins, 7th pick, 14th pick, and j poole a decent guard.
apparently other people value ingram like pelifans.
if im tdGm i do this for pels. wiggins has matured. plays good defense and good for 18 or 20.
gsw gets ingram
pels
get wiggins, 7th pick, 14th pick, and j poole a decent guard.
apparently other people value ingram like pelifans.
if im tdGm i do this for pels. wiggins has matured. plays good defense and good for 18 or 20.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:50 pm to shel311
Yeah 3 years minimum technically. Although in order to extract max trade value, I think you’d have to trade in the offseason after year 3 or the trade deadline of year 4 to give the acquiring team a chance to convince him to stay. The offers would become kind of watered down if you only had 2 months to convince Zion not to sign his QO after you trade for him. So you’d end up having to trade him to a team on his list. Hopefully a few of his preferred destinations would have assets they would be willing to part with instead of just waiting on Zion to become unrestricted and signing him that way.
This year is important. I really think he’s gone as early as next offseason if we don’t make the playoffs this season. Gayle is willing to pay 3 different head coaches this season for a reason.
This year is important. I really think he’s gone as early as next offseason if we don’t make the playoffs this season. Gayle is willing to pay 3 different head coaches this season for a reason.
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:53 pm to CelticDog
quote:Ingram is better, why in the world would we do this?
just saw supposed trade for ingram
gsw gets ingram
pels
get wiggins, 7th pick, 14th pick, and j poole a decent guard.
apparently other people value ingram like pelifans.
if im tdGm i do this for pels. wiggins has matured. plays good defense and good for 18 or 20.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:55 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:I'm not worried right now at all about a Zion QO or trade, but to play to the speculation, we'd get max value almost at any point we traded him IMO.
Yeah 3 years minimum technically. Although in order to extract max trade value, I think you’d have to trade in the offseason after year 3 or the trade deadline of year 4 to give the acquiring team a chance to convince him to stay. The offers would become kind of watered down if you only had 2 months to convince Zion not to sign his QO after you trade for him. So you’d end up having to trade him to a team on his list. Hopefully a few of his preferred destinations would have assets they would be willing to part with instead of just waiting on Zion to become unrestricted and signing him that way.
We traded AD when there was basically only 1 team willing to put out a legit offer for him, and we got a shite ton in return, so that's not a worry.
quote:0% chance Zion is not in a Pels uniform to start the 2022-2023 season. IMO
I really think he’s gone as early as next offseason if we don’t make the playoffs this season
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:58 pm to shel311
quote:
Ingram is better, why in the world would we do this?
for 3, 1st rounders this year, bro
all after 5 in a 4-5 man draft
when we don't have roster spots
Posted on 6/30/21 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
how many future swaps are we getting doe?
Posted on 6/30/21 at 3:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Not that the other 2 aren't important but the last point was my 1st thought.
for 3, 1st rounders this year, bro
all after 5 in a 4-5 man draft
We have a shite ton of youngsters, why would we want to drop BI to add 3 more youngsters...yuck.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 3:05 pm to shel311
quote:
Ingram is better, why in the world would we do this?
wiggins improved this past year on defense.
ingram is meh defense.
wiggins is better the last 5 minutes.
and you get two swings at the draft.
7 and 14
combine 7 14 and the laker picks. detroit will give you door #1
Posted on 6/30/21 at 3:06 pm to CelticDog
quote:
and you get two swings at the draft.
7 and 14
we keep 10 too?
Posted on 6/30/21 at 3:08 pm to CelticDog
quote:Detroit would give us what for those 3 picks?
combine 7 14 and the laker picks. detroit will give you door #1
quote:Ingram is better
wiggins improved this past year on defense.
ingram is meh defense.
wiggins is better the last 5 minutes.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 3:12 pm to CelticDog
That’s okayish trade value, but if I’m trading Ingram, it’s gotta be for a player that’s decidedly better for him. If 7 and 14 don’t pan out, then the best piece you get back is Poole, who isn’t bad, but isn’t an Ingram level centerpiece.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 3:13 pm to shel311
Ingram is better and his best coach so far has been Luke Walton.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 3:24 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Same folk who want to trade BI for Dame are the same ones who wanted to trade BI for Beale earlier. Math for the team is the same ..... its a wash (and maybe less so considering Dame's and Beale's. age). Pels become Portland South. The recipe would be that along with a hit in the draft or free agency, we need BI and Zion to get better, and count on one of Zo, NAW, or Hayes taking a leap.
I'm not opposed to value trades, even including your best players, but what's been presented makes no sense. Phx is a good example of a proper way to build a team. They had a disgruntled Booker, added better players (CP3, Ayton, Crowder) through draft/free agency, and got significant development internally from Payne, Johnson, and Bridges.
I'm not opposed to value trades, even including your best players, but what's been presented makes no sense. Phx is a good example of a proper way to build a team. They had a disgruntled Booker, added better players (CP3, Ayton, Crowder) through draft/free agency, and got significant development internally from Payne, Johnson, and Bridges.
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 6/30/21 at 4:03 pm to Pistol44
After sitting on it and letting it marinate, then realizing exactly how many teams will be bidding and the cost involved with trading for Dame, maybe we're better served trying to be a 3rd team in the deal. Knicks will be hard and heavy after him, likely giving up RJ and cap relief. We could jump in and take RJ, while providing Portland with even more picks for their rebuild.
Something like:
Knicks: Dame, Nurkic, 4 2nds from Pels (2 in 21, 2 in 22)
Pels: RJ, Covington
Blazers: Adams, Bled, Obi, Kira, 4 1sts from Knicks, 3 1sts from Pels
Re-sign Lonzo, start BI at the 2, get Zion's best friend from college, and shave roughly 18 million in salary in the process.
Something like:
Knicks: Dame, Nurkic, 4 2nds from Pels (2 in 21, 2 in 22)
Pels: RJ, Covington
Blazers: Adams, Bled, Obi, Kira, 4 1sts from Knicks, 3 1sts from Pels
Re-sign Lonzo, start BI at the 2, get Zion's best friend from college, and shave roughly 18 million in salary in the process.
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/30/21 at 4:07 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
We could jump in and take RJ, while providing Portland with even more picks for their rebuild
Really like this idea, actually
Posted on 6/30/21 at 4:10 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:I agree with all of this. I don't think BI is a bad player at all, but I do think he's a bad fit next to Zion. BI on a team with good defense and a good ball handler would be fantastic. But his pairing next to Zion, when Zion is not yet good defensively poses a problem. On top of that, this team really needs a ball handler. So, in order to "fix" the fit issue, and get a high caliber ball handler, the most likely course of action would be to trade BI.
I personally think BI is a legit good dude that plays great ball. He really is baby KD on offense imo. I just don't know if he can ever be even average on defense, and at his position that's a death sentence for most teams.
You also have a huge glaring need at pg so getting Dame is a crazy good way to fill that need hahaha
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