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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
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we can get basically the same return for CJ as we can for BI, then move CJ
So BI comes off the bench for Herb/ Trey? Because those are the 2 guys that best fit our identity.
BI isn't going to like that. And Trey/ Herb won't like another year on the bench.
And that's not including the actual minute spread aspect between Herb/ Trey/ Dyson/ Hawk.
I don't want another 30 min of mid range. I want to see 30 min of if Hawk is worth a shite and 30 min of if Dyson can be Herb 2.0 but better.
That's not including the $$$ situation because we would be paying BI and still need both a C/ PG while not needing BI.
It doesn't work and its a waste of time.
The only thing it does is slow down our actual timeline to compete.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:34 pm
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
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"Chronic"?
Yes he missed most of this season.
last 4 years before that he missed 5, 15, 14 (13 of them at the end of the year when they were done) and 5 (and again, the last 5 games of the season when they were done).
What's chronic about that?
He's had 2 surgeries on his left knee. I know that isn't why he was out this season, but I think that's why people are concerned.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:38 pm to Dantheman504
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Zion needs to work on his ball security, loose dribbles, shooting. That's it.
And actually giving a shite in the offseason and showing up in shape.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
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We were really good until it actually mattered or contenders actually locked in... Which means we really aren't "really good".
Is that why we had one of the better records in the league against teams over .500?
And how many should we have won? How many did we choke away? How many prime time games did we win? How was our character in the playoffs?
There's teams like the Cavs/ Mavs who will blow it up to get better even though they are already better teams than us.
We can't just accept "even though we were the 8 seed and got swept we did really well"
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:43 pm to whatiknowsofar
Zion: needs work
1. Ball security
2. Loose dribbles
3. Shooting
4. Offseason shape
5. Mid game feelings
6. Prostitutes
Fortunately I believe he's working on most of these.
1. Ball security
2. Loose dribbles
3. Shooting
4. Offseason shape
5. Mid game feelings
6. Prostitutes
Fortunately I believe he's working on most of these.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:52 pm to Dantheman504
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So BI comes off the bench for Herb/ Trey? Because those are the 2 guys that best fit our identity.
BI isn't going to like that. And Trey/ Herb won't like another year on the bench.
As i said, our championship lineup should be long athletic shooter and defender playing with Herb/BI/Trey/Zion, like Dejounte Murray. We aren't starting those 5, but that's the 5 that gets the most minutes and closes games.
I'd rather build towards that, then some lineup with PG/Herb/Trey/Zion/Jarrett Allen.
If Trey is going to be 6'10", and Zion is going to weigh 275lbs and not shoot 3's, then there's no reason they can't be a 4 and a 5. That's the lineup to build around Zion, with him at the 5 with 2 other tall 3/4's next to him like Trey/BI.
I'd love to move BI for PG, as you get the same offensive skillset but a much better defender.
My dream lineup is Murray/Herb/Trey/PG/Zion
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:55 pm to Dantheman504
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And how many should we have won? How many did we choke away? How many prime time games did we win? How was our character in the playoffs?
There's teams like the Cavs/ Mavs who will blow it up to get better even though they are already better teams than us.
We can't just accept "even though we were the 8 seed and got swept we did really well"
I'm not just accepting we did really well.
It was basically year 1 for us altogether. We have improvements we need to make, and we'll be better this year. The starting 5 is flawed, but that doesn't mean the only change to look at is BI going out b/c he played bad for 5 games after comign back from hyperextending his knee.
If CJ or Trey is our #2 going into this year, we won't be better.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If Trey is going to be 6'10", and Zion is going to weigh 275lbs and not shoot 3's, then there's no reason they can't be a 4 and a 5. That's the lineup to build around Zion, with him at the 5 with 2 other tall 3/4's next to him like Trey/BI.
I'd love to move BI for PG, as you get the same offensive skillset but a much better defender.
But we don't even know this yet. And we shouldn't until we actually build a real/ normal NBA roster that includes a real PG and a real modern center.
I too would love to get Paul George this offseason. I doubt he wants to come here but it would be interesting.
My (4) free agent targets would be:
Paul George
Tyus Jones
Malik Monk
Miles Bridges
I'd rather trade BI/ CJ for picks and young players for cap space if we have a chance at Bridges/ PG.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:03 pm to Dantheman504
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Zion: needs work 1. Ball security 2. Loose dribbles 3. Shooting 4. Offseason shape 5. Mid game feelings 6. Prostitutes Fortunately I believe he's working on most of these.
Haha that’s funny but true!!
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:03 pm to Dantheman504
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But we don't even know this yet. And we shouldn't until we actually build a real/ normal NBA roster that includes a real PG and a real modern center.
what is a real modern center?
To me we either need to play with Zion at the 5 with 4 shooters/defenders with length,
or we can play with Zion at the 4 with a 5 that can shoot and defend decent enough to not get forced out of the end of games.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:04 pm to Dantheman504
We cant just have $3mil players and $30mil players. We need to make signing like Monk/ Tyus Jones that give us time to easily develop players behind them while not losing much.
Adding a Monk at 20mil doesn't hurt if we expect Hawk to eventually take those minutes or already have a plan to trade CJ.
Tyus Jones gives us fit and time.
Adding a Monk at 20mil doesn't hurt if we expect Hawk to eventually take those minutes or already have a plan to trade CJ.
Tyus Jones gives us fit and time.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:25 pm to Dantheman504
BI has the tools to be exactly what this team needs, but refuses to adapt to the new NBA.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:42 pm to Dantheman504
There’s rumblings Bucks will look to move Brook Lopez.
I’ve thought of them as a dark horse trade candidate for BI, they always seem to come out of nowhere.
Lopez and 23 to Cavs, BI to Bucks, Portis and Allen to Pels?
Pacers and Raptors are other dark horses for me
I’ve thought of them as a dark horse trade candidate for BI, they always seem to come out of nowhere.
Lopez and 23 to Cavs, BI to Bucks, Portis and Allen to Pels?
Pacers and Raptors are other dark horses for me
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:43 pm to saints5021
The Ingram hate is hilarious with some of yal. The issue is we have two stars that don't fit into this era. Finding pieces to fit with zion is harder than Ingram.
While zion is an elite player within 3ft, he's also useless outside of it. If the ball is in his hands, you have to respect him defensively.
If he doesn't, you can sag because you dare him to shoot.
Ingram on the other hand refuses to consistently take 3s and settles for iso plays and mid range. He can't draw fouls because he refuses to flop. His game is Melo/durant.
Neither guys move off ball. You can fix both by finding a pg though.
While zion is an elite player within 3ft, he's also useless outside of it. If the ball is in his hands, you have to respect him defensively.
If he doesn't, you can sag because you dare him to shoot.
Ingram on the other hand refuses to consistently take 3s and settles for iso plays and mid range. He can't draw fouls because he refuses to flop. His game is Melo/durant.
Neither guys move off ball. You can fix both by finding a pg though.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:46 pm to Soggymoss
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Lopez and 23 to Cavs, BI to Bucks, Portis and Allen to Pels?
BI's value can't be quite this low, can it?
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:49 pm to Fun Bunch
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BI's value can't be quite this low, can it?
Unless I’m mistaken Portis has pretty good value, I’m sure there’s quite a few teams around that would give up a 1st+ for him coming off a 13.8/7.4 season shooting 40% from 3.
If you’re talking about the pick, #23 is Milwaukee’s pick, we wouldn’t be giving up a pick.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:52 pm to Soggymoss
Why in the frick would the Cavs trade Allen for a 69 y/o center and a late 1st in the supposedly worst draft of the modern era.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:55 pm to Soggymoss
These trades don't make sense at all.
I'd rather
Get several young players from Magic/ Houston/ Detroit and slightly overpay for a Claxton/ Hartenstwein until we draft our guy. Free up cap space, actually sign free agents, build a sustainable roster with pieces that fit.
I'd rather
Get several young players from Magic/ Houston/ Detroit and slightly overpay for a Claxton/ Hartenstwein until we draft our guy. Free up cap space, actually sign free agents, build a sustainable roster with pieces that fit.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:56 pm to Dantheman504
Cavs will move Allen, and the offers won’t be what everyone is expecting. They’re about to give Mobley a max deal so they have no choice but to make him their starting center. An expiring 22 million dollar contract that can EASILY be flipped even though Lopez is old, he’s still playing good, and a pick is not a horrible return.
Allen is a top 10 center closer to 5, Lopez is also a top 10 center but he’s closer to 10.
Allen is a top 10 center closer to 5, Lopez is also a top 10 center but he’s closer to 10.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:58 pm to Dantheman504
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Free up cap space, actually sign free agents,
We could trade BI and take nothing back and still not have enough cap space to sign anyone.
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