re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein

Posted by Baron

Member since Dec 2014

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:38 am to cfish140

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If Ingram and his camp balk at taking anything less than $50 million per season, New Orleans could look into a trade.

Well tell his camp to start balking because NOBODY is paying Ingram that much.

Posted by Soggymoss

Member since Aug 2018

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:39 am to Baron

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Posted by htran90

Member since Dec 2012

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:41 am to Townedrunkard

Agreed. How in the world we give the most valuable asset for the 2nd and 4th. Strus is a top 10 on a playoff team but he's a 15mil annual bench guy. No thanks.

Rather send that money and a 1st for someone like tyus Jones.

Posted by teke184

Zachary, LA

Member since Jan 2007

103130 posts

Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:44 am to Soggymoss

Sixers may take him simply because they have cap space but not a lot of assets to send back other than picks, which Chicago is short on thanks to trades for Vuc, DDR, etc.

Posted by TeddyPadillac

Member since Dec 2010

29763 posts

Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:48 am to cfish140

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Pelicans receive:
Max Strus
Jarret Allan

Cavs receive:
Brandon Ingram
Dyson Daniels

I like Max Strus, but I'm not giving up Dyson for him straight up.
And i'm not giving up BI for JA straight up either.
I'd do this trade if they sent us 2 firsts, but they don't have 2 firsts to send us, well they do, but i don't want their 20th pick this year.
Remove Dyson and i'd consider doing that trade, and I'd actually rather resign BI than do that trade. A BI for JA trade doesn't do it for me.

Posted by BigPerm30

Member since Aug 2011

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:49 am to Soggymoss

They can’t give away Trae and Zach but you guys think there’s a big market for BI

Posted by Soggymoss

Member since Aug 2018

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:52 am to BigPerm30

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They can’t give away Trae and Zach

Atlanta is not trying to trade away Trae, and Chicago will have to pay someone to take Zach’s deal.

Neither one of those are comparable to BI

Posted by teke184

Zachary, LA

Member since Jan 2007

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:54 am to Soggymoss

Yup. Zach’s deal is about $100m+ for a guy with chronic knee injuries and the Bulls have played better with him out.

Posted by Dantheman504

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:56 am to TeddyPadillac

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Pelicans receive:
Max Strus
Jarret Allan

Cavs receive:
Brandon Ingram
Dyson Daniels

Yeah this is rough.

BI for Allen/ Strus seems "fair" and by fair I mean we get 15-20 mil in cap space while getting (2) players that fit our system. "Fair" doesn't mean "great value"..

Dyson shouldn't be in there at all and I wouldn't be surprised if this is positioning to try and up Allen's value.

I'd rather do

Garland + Allen

For

BI+ Dyson+ Nance+ 1-2 1st

If the first trade is something we are dumb enough to entertain.

This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 11:00 am

Posted by whatiknowsofar

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Member since Nov 2010

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:57 am to teke184

Dysons last nine games with zion after coming back from injury.

1.1/2.8 3pa

40%

Including a 4/5 3pt game

If we sell Dyson now when he's cheap I'm gonna melt

Posted by Dantheman504

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:58 am to Dantheman504

We need to find a way to get Struts/ LaVert to the Hawks with picks for Murray. (Without trading Dyson)

IN: Allen + Murray

Or trade with Houston.

This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 11:01 am

Posted by TeddyPadillac

Member since Dec 2010

29763 posts

Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:02 am to Dantheman504

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BI for Allen/ Strus seems "fair" and by fair I mean we get 15-20 mil in cap space while getting (2) players that fit our system. "Fair" doesn't mean "great value"..

Allen/Strus for BI is pretty much an even money trade.
Where are you geting $15-20M in cap space from?

Posted by teke184

Zachary, LA

Member since Jan 2007

103130 posts

Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:02 am to whatiknowsofar

Only reason I see to send him out is that we get a Godfather offer we have to take for a star.

Outside of that, he better stay because I see him as another Herb and having two lockdown defenders out there, especially if Dyson’s shot comes along, makes us fricking dangerous.

Posted by NOSHAU

Member since Feb 2012

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:07 am to Soggymoss

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We would have to take on one contract, Jeff Green at 9.6 million gets the deal done, Houston just has to pick up that team option.

Also would give us another salary to add with Nance and be able to look at other trades with our picks where we can take back 26 million. Claxton comes to mind in a S&T, or Murray if Atlanta would take contracts with 2 picks, or same for Allen. We could even expand the original trade and do something like:
Rockets: BI
Pels: JSJ, Capella, #3
Hawks: Jeff Green

Hawks would probably do that salary dump just to save the 13 million and we wouldn’t cost ourselves any picks while being able to have Capella and Nance’s expiring 34 million in salary to dangle in trades. I fear Griff is just looking at one for one deals and is unwilling to look around for other pieces to expand the trade.

Would not mind Green, JSJ, Adams, #3 for BI and Liddell, but doubt Houston would do that. Not a huge fan of Green, but would be betting on him becoming something. He is undisciplined and inefficient currently.

This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 11:09 am

Posted by Soggymoss

Member since Aug 2018

17367 posts

Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:10 am to NOSHAU

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Would not mind Green, JSJ, Adams, #3 for BI and Liddell, but doubt Houston would do that.

Jeff Green or Jalen Green?

Jeff they would, Jalen they wouldn’t. It would have to be either Jalen or Jabari, not both, and I prefer Jabari over Jalen, even though I think Jabari would have less value in a trade, he just fits better with what we need.

And I don’t see a reason to take Adams when we don’t have to, they would probably want to keep him anyway to have extra salary with Jalen to dangle with all the other picks for Bridges if/when Brooklyn decides to deal him.

This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 11:12 am

Posted by TeddyPadillac

Member since Dec 2010

29763 posts

Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:16 am to teke184

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Yup. Zach’s deal is about $100m+ for a guy with chronic knee injuries and the Bulls have played better with him out.

"Chronic"?

Yes he missed most of this season.
last 4 years before that he missed 5, 15, 14 (13 of them at the end of the year when they were done) and 5 (and again, the last 5 games of the season when they were done).
What's chronic about that?

BI's missed 82 games the last 3 years.
Lavine's missed 77 games the last 3 years, with 3/4th's of those missed games happening this past year.
I'd rather a guy that missed most of one season once every 5 years and plays in over 85% of the games the other 4 years, than a guy that misses 25-50% of the games every single year for 5 years.

Posted by ghost2most

Member since Mar 2012

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Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:20 am to Soggymoss

Allen and Strus straight up for Ingram I'd consider. No way I'm including Dyson.

CJ
Herb
Trey
Zion
Allen

Bench
Jose
Dyson
Hawkins
Struss
Ryan
Nance

Fair amount of shooting on the bench.

That's a better team than what we have today IMO.

The issue with any trade for BI that doesn't bring back a good scorer is the Zion injury risk. That team can't score with Zion out.

Not crazy about a Rockets trade because it doesn't give us what we need most - PG or C.

I don't like Garland at all. Murray I like but Klutch.

I still think the best offseason has us come away with Murray and Allen and CJ goes to the bench and gets traded midseason if Hawkins progresses enough to fill the volume shooter role.

Posted by NOSHAU

Member since Feb 2012

13487 posts

Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:22 am to Soggymoss

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Jeff Green or Jalen Green?

Jeff they would, Jalen they wouldn’t. It would have to be either Jalen or Jabari, not both, and I prefer Jabari over Jalen, even though I think Jabari would have less value in a trade, he just fits better with what we need.

And I don’t see a reason to take Adams when we don’t have to, they would probably want to keep him anyway to have extra salary with Jalen to dangle with all the other picks for Bridges if/when Brooklyn decides to deal him.

Sorry, I was referring to Jalen. They have seemed open to dealing him, but you are right, probably not both him and the #3. Adams was just a thought as we could use him as a backup and he is an expiring (and more salary off of Houston's books).