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re: Nance wanting to come back makes Jax expendable.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:33 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:33 pm to GOP_Tiger
I mean let’s also not pretend that Hayes is, in relation to his position(4 or 5), one of the weakest rebounders and box out big men that gets major minutes in this league.
And that unfortunately, since coming in the league, his growth in that area has been glacier-like. Despite basically getting to learn behind 3 great rebounders and box out artists in Favors, Adams, and Jonas. The lack of growth in that areas is concerning and more than anything might put a ceiling on his ability to anchor the 5 for this team.
Cause It’s one of those issues that make the long-term fit with he and Zion problematic cause Zion has also not shown himself to be a great defensive rebounder, or rim protector. So those two together compound issues rather than shore up each other’s weaknesses.
And that unfortunately, since coming in the league, his growth in that area has been glacier-like. Despite basically getting to learn behind 3 great rebounders and box out artists in Favors, Adams, and Jonas. The lack of growth in that areas is concerning and more than anything might put a ceiling on his ability to anchor the 5 for this team.
Cause It’s one of those issues that make the long-term fit with he and Zion problematic cause Zion has also not shown himself to be a great defensive rebounder, or rim protector. So those two together compound issues rather than shore up each other’s weaknesses.
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Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:35 pm to GOP_Tiger
These guys don’t even watch the game. Literally just check the box score. If you watch the game you, you know Jaxson always leaks out early and gets quite a few open dunks from it. That’s coaching, he’s being instructed to do that. If he was playing the 5, he’d be instructed to box out and secure the board.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:43 pm to Bronc
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I mean let’s also not pretend that Hayes is, in relation to his position(4 or 5), one of the weakest rebounders and box out big men that gets major minutes in this league.
Oh, I completely agree. I'm just saying that, as a result of his poor rebounding skills, when he's on the floor with BI and Herb now, it's not his job to try to get defensive rebounds.
So, "no rebounds in Game 6" is an indictment of his poor rebounding skills, but it doesn't mean that he's useless. We saw Jaxson score on the fast break as a result.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:45 pm to spaghettioeauxs
Maybe the low rebound count is due to the leaking out transition thing. But there's little doubt he actively avoids physical contact defensively, unless it's an ill timed block shot or a ridiculous moving screen on the perimeter, that he almost never gets called for inexplicably
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 12:57 pm to Pelefraan 1
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But there's little doubt he actively avoids physical contact defensively unless it's an ill timed block shot or a ridiculous moving screen that he almost never gets called for
He's not afraid of contact, but he's also not physical like you'd expect a former football player to be. There was about a 2-3 week stretch last year where he was and he was pretty good at it shoving guys like Zubac out of the way for boards and I thought Adams was finally getting through to him, but then it went away and he ended the season with the same weak rebound numbers he always has.
If you can keep him on a Hart like contract I'd let him stick around because I do wonder if putting on weight by year 4-5 like Anthony Davis did will solve some of his physicality issues. If it does and he can play center he has a future on this team. If he can only be a 4 or big wing, some other team will probably find more value out of him than the Pels unless he starts hitting 3s like he allegedly does in practice.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:09 pm to GOP_Tiger
People on here were talking about some crazy numbers on a new jax contract.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:30 pm to TigerinATL
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I do wonder if putting on weight by year 4-5 like Anthony Davis did will solve some of his physicality issues
In my eyes it's not the numbers on the scale, it's the intent and mentality
I mean, Herb is a string bean, but as hard as they come. Alvarado similar in terms of size to weight ratio.
It's not a counting weight issue. It's your make up
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:34 pm to Pelefraan 1
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In my eyes it's not the numbers on the scale, it's the intent and mentality
I'm not expecting his mentality to change much, that has never worked out for us, from Jrue to AD to Lonzo to NAW. But at his current weight strength Jaxson might have to put out maximum effort to box out and rebound. But by year 5 maybe it's only 50% effort which could be a more achievable motor speed.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:35 pm to TigerinATL
Is there video evidence of Jax boxing out?
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:37 pm to TigerinATL
Also when has Jrue's mentality been anything other than elite?
We all hate AD now, but he pretty much always went at 100% for us in the good times with him
Lonzo also rebuilt his shot here and he's virtually the exact same guy in Chicago he was here, so I don't think that's a mentality thing either
We all hate AD now, but he pretty much always went at 100% for us in the good times with him
Lonzo also rebuilt his shot here and he's virtually the exact same guy in Chicago he was here, so I don't think that's a mentality thing either
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 1:42 pm to Pelefraan 1
All of those players would be another star tier higher than they are with a more aggressive mentality on offense. They've all shown it at times. Imagine if everyday Jrue was Evil Jrue.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 2:25 pm to Pelefraan 1
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Is there video evidence of Jax boxing out?
None.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 2:29 pm to touchdownjeebus
Some of it is on the coaching staff to enforce the basics of rebounding on the players
Posted on 4/30/22 at 2:34 pm to touchdownjeebus
Can't get mad at Griffin for taking Jax at 8. It's the exact super high ceiling swing you should go for
Just that the floor is super low too
Just that the floor is super low too
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:08 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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Literally just check the box score. If you watch the game you, you know Jaxson always leaks out early and gets quite a few open dunks from it. That’s coaching, he’s being instructed to do that.
He leaks early bc he’s a terrible rebounder. The staff is literally catering to his only real strength
Y’all carried on and on about NAW’s potential. Hayes is 200 games into his career and still has no real positive singular trait to hang his hat on
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:23 pm to GynoSandberg
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Hayes is 200 games into his career and still has no real positive singular trait to hang his hat on
He was the only big that slowed down CP3 in the P&R. Even when he didn't shut Paul down Paul still had to make highly contested shots. When asked what he was going to work on in the offseason, I forget what skills he said, but he ended it with something along the lines of "because I'm a guard now." So I think the team plans to use him as a big wing rather than a big.
I'm not going to shed a tear if they trade him, but his length and athleticism can definitely help on defense.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:30 pm to TigerinATL
All I want from him is to box out. He can do all of the other shite, but box out. If he does that, there is a place for him.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:39 pm to touchdownjeebus
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All I want from him is to box out. He can do all of the other shite, but box out. If he does that, there is a place for him.
This is basically where I’m at with him. If he can just learn to do the most basic fundamentals at an average level (box out, rebound, basic footwork, off-ball movement/positioning), he can be a productive everyday role player for us.
Posted on 4/30/22 at 3:41 pm to TigerinATL
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He was the only big that slowed down CP3 in the P&R. Even when he didn't shut Paul down Paul still had to make highly contested shots. When asked what he was going to work on in the offseason, I forget what skills he said, but he ended it with something along the lines of "because I'm a guard now." So I think the team plans to use him as a big wing rather than a big.
As I've said on Jax before, the best thing about him is that he can switch onto guards. The only issue is that his on-ball defense is still so terrible.
If he improves his defense, he's not a total lost cause. I'm just not sure that's in the cards.
A lot of people have been infected by the Julian Wright-syndrome on this board in that they see an athletic dude who can develop into something special, but because of that, they refuse to acknowledge that his development is lagging behind what it should be for a dude three seasons after being drafted 8th overall.
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 4/30/22 at 4:41 pm to TigerinATL
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I forget what skills he said, but he ended it with something along the lines of "because I'm a guard now.
Yea he was talking about working on fighting through screens in the off season
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