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re: Nance signs $21 million extension
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:57 pm to TigerinATL
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:57 pm to TigerinATL
Nance averaged 20mpg for us last year. Zion is back. Ingram, Jones and Murphy will all see minutes at PF (since we go small so often). Do you see Nance averaging more of less than 20mpg?
Are they going to take minutes from Hernangomez? Who I believe is a better player and is a better fit for the team. I guess he will get 12-15M when he gets extended..
Are they going to take minutes from Hernangomez? Who I believe is a better player and is a better fit for the team. I guess he will get 12-15M when he gets extended..
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:23 pm to brmark70816
quote:It's almost like we're Pels fans beforehand anything else.
Is it? How so?
You think it is a great deal, cause the cap is going to spike, so Nance will be on a team friendly deal. Which means he would be making less than he should be. Right?
So how is that a good deal for him?
Crazy thoughts that you can't seem to grasp.
You realized it's a great contract so now you've shifted the goalposts to complain about that if we like Nance, how could we like a team friendly contract... frick are you doing right now?
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:25 pm to NOSHAU
quote:His argument has shifted now to if we think it's a good deal for the Pels, that means it's a bad deal for Nance. So if we're a fan of Nance, we should not like this deal.
Secondly, you are arguing it is bad from Pelicans and from Nance.
It's an utterly dumb argument.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:26 pm to brmark70816
quote:About the same
Do you see Nance averaging more of less than 20mpg?
quote:Yes
Are they going to take minutes from Hernangomez?
quote:You're the only one who thinks that. Thankfully the team doesn't have think nonseneival like that so no Willy won't get that.
Who I believe is a better player and is a better fit for the team. I guess he will get 12-15M when he gets extended..
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:52 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Who I believe is a better player and is a better fit for the team
The frick he is.
Billy is good people. And he's a sieve on defense. Nance is much better on the boards and can hit an occasional 3
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:18 pm to brmark70816
You’re such a fig
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:39 am to shel311
quote:
You realized it's a great contract
No, I don't. I don't think it's a great contract. It's fine for this year. We need the depth. Unless we have a major injury, I don't see how he gets more than 18ppg and he will struggle to be top 8 on the team in mpg. Fast forward to the next season, I don't see him in the two deep. So, the last two years of the deal, he is a spartan contributor and making a significant amount of money. He is basically Graham at that point.
quote:
now you've shifted the goalposts to complain about that if we like Nance, how could we like a team friendly contract.
I was pointing out the conflict of the argument. It does not make logical sense to me. People are stating that it is a great value for the team, cause Nance will end up being underpaid. So, it is worth the gamble. If you like a player and want him rewarded, that shouldn't be a positive.
quote:
frick are you doing right now?
Inherently I do not like long term contracts. They are cumbersome and limit rooster flexibility. Unless a team is a top end contender, it should be flipping 20-30% of it's roster each off season. Spots 10-15 should be filled with young high-end players on very low contracts. Or at worse, vets on minimum deals. We are locking in this same roster for multiple years in a row. I do not believe it is a wise plan.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:44 am to brmark70816
Nance's contract is perfect filler value wise and year wise, if a big fish comes along available for trade
I mean, Griff gave Graham twice as many years @ a higher average salary just last year who is a much, much worse player. Completely untradeable player, unless a 1st is attached
It's the years, rather than the monetary value that's the real killer for a contract
I mean, Griff gave Graham twice as many years @ a higher average salary just last year who is a much, much worse player. Completely untradeable player, unless a 1st is attached
It's the years, rather than the monetary value that's the real killer for a contract
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 5:46 am
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:46 am to brmark70816
BR, extending guys instead of making them play on expirings is a sign of good will. Just better vibes overall. If everyone on the damn team was on a 1-2 year deal, everyone would be uneasy and a little angsty. There is a lot of parity in the nba. Happiness and feeling like the organization has your best interests at heart can be the difference between wanting to dive for a loose ball or not, taking an active role in mentorship or not, and ultimately making the playoffs or not. The little things matter and they all add up. Part of the reason why the Bengals made the Super Bowl roughly 4 years ahead of schedule, was due to elite team/organizational chemistry. If this team stays healthy, I could see us being the NBA version of the 2021 Bengals. Amazing things can happen when everyone is in lockstep with one another, and the Nance extension is just one more piece to that puzzle/equation for the New Orleans Pelicans.
Nance is getting paid $5.5M a year to play and $5.5M a year to be a great mentor and teammate to guys like Zion, Ingram, and Murphy.
He’s also great depth for when we have our annual time of year with 8 people inactive with injuries.
He can also take some minutes from Zion and Jonas to keep them fresh for the playoffs. Also, remember the impact Nance made last year for us, and consider he was not even fully healthy, had zero basketball experience playing with any of our guys other than CJ, and he didn’t even know the plays. He had a lot working against him and he was still damn solid for us during key moments in the playoffs.
Nance is getting paid $5.5M a year to play and $5.5M a year to be a great mentor and teammate to guys like Zion, Ingram, and Murphy.
He’s also great depth for when we have our annual time of year with 8 people inactive with injuries.
He can also take some minutes from Zion and Jonas to keep them fresh for the playoffs. Also, remember the impact Nance made last year for us, and consider he was not even fully healthy, had zero basketball experience playing with any of our guys other than CJ, and he didn’t even know the plays. He had a lot working against him and he was still damn solid for us during key moments in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 5:50 am
Posted on 10/2/22 at 8:06 am to brmark70816
The point you are making about wanting the players we like to get paid more because we like them is the dumbest portion of your whole dumb arse argument. Yea, I like Nance. No, I don’t wish we would have given him $20 mill a year instead of 10. Pretty sure he can live comfortably enough with the $10MM. Your constant negative, always contrarian posts are getting more ridiculous by the day.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 9:42 am to brmark70816
quote:You made that up. It's a conflict to no one but you. You changed your argument to that once you were told how terrible it your first argument was.
I was pointing out the conflict of the argument
quote:I'm not sure someone could know less about sports than this comment. Just not sure it's even possible.
It does not make logical sense to me. People are stating that it is a great value for the team, cause Nance will end up being underpaid. So, it is worth the gamble. If you like a player and want him rewarded, that shouldn't be a positive
quote:So you like short term contracts where you have to pay a premium and also can lose a solid player earlier than if you had signed him long term?
Inherently I do not like long term contracts. They are cumbersome and limit rooster flexibility.
quote:That has nothing to do with Nance, he's not 10-15
Spots 10-15 should be filled with young high-end players on very low contracts. Or at worse, vets on minimum deals.
quote:So you prefer to let CJ and Nance go and you think we can replace both of them with just the MLE?
We are locking in this same roster for multiple years in a row. I do not believe it is a wise plan.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 9:47 am to SaintTigerPel
quote:It's arguably the most absurd point I've ever seen on TD.
The point you are making about wanting the players we like to get paid more because we like them is the dumbest portion of your whole dumb arse argument
We love the Pels but because they got a player we like, we should want the Pels to overpay that person. I can't fathom how something that absurd would even enter someone's head, much less saying it out loud or posting it for people to see. I
guarantee you if that dude talks sports with his friends, that's something he would NEVER say out loud. No chance. He knows how dumb it is.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 10:50 am to shel311
quote:
So you like short term contracts where you have to pay a premium and also can lose a solid player earlier than if you had signed him long term?
Absolutely. I don't see how we lose guys that aren't FAs and I don't believe that they would take less to go elsewhere just cause we didn't take care of them earlier.
quote:
That has nothing to do with Nance, he's not 10-15
This year. Can you say that about next season?
We should have 5 locks above him (Zion, Ingram, McCollum, Val and Jones). Another 3 should get more minutes than him (Murphy, Daniels and our lottery pick from the Lakers). I am hopeful either Alvarado or Lewis takes a big leap forward this year, that would would be 9 players. We have Graham plus other assets to exchange for an impact guy. Plus Liddell should be fully recovered.
Who is Nance bumping for the next 2 years to stay in the top 10?
quote:
So you prefer to let CJ and Nance go and you think we can replace both of them with just the MLE?
That wasn't an option. They weren't going anywhere. We shouldn't have to sign players early for good will sake. That is a dangerous precedent.
Is Val next? He has another year left on his deal. Is that how this works? We never let deals become expirings anymore?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 10:58 am to brmark70816
brmark, tell us something
what’s makes you happy?
what’s makes you happy?
Posted on 10/2/22 at 11:14 am to brmark70816
quote:We'll just have to pay them more if we do well. The part you continually ignore.
and I don't believe that they would take less to go elsewhere just cause we didn't take care of them earlier
quote:What you want to do is also dangerous. The part you continually ignore.
That is a dangerous precedent.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 12:21 pm to brmark70816
Nance is very likely our first big off of the bench on a go forward basis.
The only way I really see that changing is if the Pels draft a big in the top 4 spots or so with the Lakers pick.
He’s ahead of Jax and Billy in the rotation.
The only way I really see that changing is if the Pels draft a big in the top 4 spots or so with the Lakers pick.
He’s ahead of Jax and Billy in the rotation.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 12:29 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Spots 10-15 should be filled with young high-end players on very low contracts. Or at worse, vets on minimum deals.
This season it’s very likely that our 11-15 spots are just what you described.
Players 11-15 for the upcoming season:
Dyson (to start the season)
Billy
Naji
Temple
Kira
That’s two young guys on rookie deals, 2 essentially min deals, and Temple who is only making 2.4 mil over the vet min.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 12:38 pm to shel311
Some of you are absolute gluttons for punishment.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 1:41 pm to cgrand
quote:
what’s makes you happy?
I'm having fun debating this back and forth. I like the planning and roster construction aspect of the sport. Taking all of the different circumstances and how they might impact the team going forward. I'm not upset or mad. It's not my money. If it all goes to shite, I'm still going to be rooting for the team and hoping they get better.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:55 pm to brmark70816
then why do you complain after every move they make? Don’t you want to be positive? For once?
seriously dude I’m not sure you realize what a joke you are here. And it’s not like you can go back and say you were right even some of the time
seriously dude I’m not sure you realize what a joke you are here. And it’s not like you can go back and say you were right even some of the time
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