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Murray wasn’t efficient before the injury
Posted on 2/1/25 at 11:33 am
Posted on 2/1/25 at 11:33 am
He was definitely improving a bit but man his efficiency was trash even before he got hurt.
His box looked so much like Westbrook. He filled up the stats but terrible shooting efficiency and a lot of turnovers.
Now he’s close to 30 and a career altering injury.
He’s officially negative asset.
You can argue that Dyson isn’t good offensively but we got smoked in that trade.
Just an absolute nightmare scenario.
Anything other than a complete tank at this point is gross negligence.
His box looked so much like Westbrook. He filled up the stats but terrible shooting efficiency and a lot of turnovers.
Now he’s close to 30 and a career altering injury.
He’s officially negative asset.
You can argue that Dyson isn’t good offensively but we got smoked in that trade.
Just an absolute nightmare scenario.
Anything other than a complete tank at this point is gross negligence.
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Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:08 pm to ghost2most
I still think the original hand injury has a lot to do with it, but we got smoked now that he's injured.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:17 pm to ghost2most
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You can argue that Dyson isn’t good offensively but we got smoked in that trade.
Unfortunately, Herb and Dyson can't both play with Zion, and Murray seemingly could, so that decision was made. I understand what they were trying to do, and I don't think trading Dyson for Murray is why this season went to shite.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:24 pm to ghost2most
quote:Well Yea, based on the injury, it was an awful trade.
You can argue that Dyson isn’t good offensively but we got smoked in that trade.
Just life as a Pels fan. Whatever can go wrong with injuries, will go wrong... always.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 12:40 pm to shel311
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Well Yea, based on the injury, it was an awful trade.
Even if he didn’t get injured, it was going to be a bad looking trade in a few years…
Posted on 2/1/25 at 1:52 pm to ghost2most
I honestly have been underwhelmed by Murray. He was an ok scorer 4 years ago, but these days, there’s no scenario where he should be taking 16 shots a game. Hes not good enough. He needed to get that down to 11-13 and focus more on assists and defense even before the injury.
Hes averaging the same amount of FGA as TM3 this season. Thats a joke.
With the injury, we can honestly say that trade has been an unmitigated disaster.
Hes averaging the same amount of FGA as TM3 this season. Thats a joke.
With the injury, we can honestly say that trade has been an unmitigated disaster.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:15 pm to ShamelessPel
Yes, when you trade for a guy and he breaks his hand in the first game of the season and misses 17 games then at the mid point of the season he tears his Achilles it is a disaster. No one’s fault, but still a disaster. Achilles is the worst injurty there is for a basketball player.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:31 pm to ThePistol
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No one’s fault
Being a Hornets / Pels fan since they arrived here, I no longer believe the medical woes are “no one’s” fault
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:33 pm to ThePistol
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Yes, when you trade for a guy and he breaks his hand in the first game of the season and misses 17 games then at the mid point of the season he tears his Achilles it is a disaster. No one’s fault, but still a disaster. Achilles is the worst injurty there is for a basketball player.
As others stated, given what we have up in picks and Dyson, it was going to look very bad in a couple of years. The team clearly wasn’t built to compete and trading those assets without a BI trade lined up to recoup assets looks horrible even without the injury. It’s clear now Murray is not on our timeline and so it’s more wasted picks.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 2:55 pm to higgsBoson
I don’t understand why people continue to say that in a few years it would look bad. You can’t build a team anticipating the level of injury we have had this year. If our team was healthy, and we didn’t make the trade for Dejounte, we would be exactly what we were last year. Dyson has not improved at all offensively. His fg%, efg%, 3pt%, and ft% are all very similar to what they were here. He is a below average offensive player who has shown no signs of improving in year 3. Atlanta has lost 7 straight with Dyson playing 30+ min a night. Dyson is not and won’t be the player we needed. We won’t lose the trade because of Dyson, we will lose it because Murray suffered a career altering injury halfway through his first season with us.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:11 pm to ghost2most
we definitely got smoked in that trade. Not many that watch the NBA would trade Dyson for Murray straight up, even before last night.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 4:44 pm to higgsBoson
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As others stated, given what we have up in picks and Dyson, it was going to look very bad in a couple of years
I tried to say this in the trade thread. Got downvoted to hell by everyone. Y’all should know by now I’m usually always right….
Two teams have given up on Murray already, he’s older so no real upside. And I don’t think he moves the needle much. Woukd have been fine trading him in a deal centered around BI. But not DD and multiple 1st picks.
Griff should have played hardball with ATL. Where else was Murray getting traded to? The Lakers? Most teams already have pgs.
This post was edited on 2/1/25 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 2/1/25 at 8:38 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:Doubtful, there was never going to be enough of a role and fit for Dyson to log enough minutes without injuries.
Even if he didn’t get injured, it was going to be a bad looking trade in a few years
Posted on 2/1/25 at 9:51 pm to ghost2most
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You can argue that Dyson isn’t good offensively but we got smoked in that trade.
Just an absolute nightmare scenario.
Anything other than a complete tank at this point is gross negligence.
Coulda been worse...I think the Hawks actually wanted Herb...instead of Dyson. I'm surprised we didn't just go ahead & give em' Herb.
And yes...a TOTAL tank...from here on...unless the Pels want to just be a complete joke...instead of an 80% joke.
Posted on 2/1/25 at 10:27 pm to shel311
Dyson Daniels is not a winning player. He's in year 3 and is showing no offensive progression. It's all about expectations. He leads the league in steals. Who gives a shite? His team is below .500 and he plays next to a guard who is better than any he would play with here. He doesn't contribute to winning and he sure as hell wouldn't have here this year. It was the right trade.
It absolutely sucks that Dejounte and Herb are out for the year. It sucks that Zion missed 25 games. It sucks that BI will miss 30 games and has probably played his last game as a Pel. It really sucks that Zion, BI, and Dejounte will never play a game together. But none of that makes Dyson a winning player. Griff deserves to get killed for a ton of things, the DJM trade isn't one of them.
It absolutely sucks that Dejounte and Herb are out for the year. It sucks that Zion missed 25 games. It sucks that BI will miss 30 games and has probably played his last game as a Pel. It really sucks that Zion, BI, and Dejounte will never play a game together. But none of that makes Dyson a winning player. Griff deserves to get killed for a ton of things, the DJM trade isn't one of them.
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