re: Murray to Pels is OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL

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Majority on this board said DD had no trade value or very low trade value.

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And he didn't. His value was probably around a mid 1st. If Atlanta would have taken Dyson instead of Herb, Murray could have broken his wrist 6 months earlier. The Hawks eventually and reluctantly settled for Dyson which is why we had to send 2 1sts with him. Just because you and I believed he would be much better doesn't mean that view was shared around the league.

Murray almost started the season with a triple double and will most likely end up better than the Murray that we traded for on the Hawks.

On the other hand Herb has been a below average basketball player with "good" defense.

So ironically Herb is "the guy everyone said Dyson will be" while defending him to death.

And I laugh only at how fricking stupid our fans are. A late 2nd pick potential vs a lottery pick potential?

It was never a comparison retards.

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Herb has been a below average basketball player with "good" defense.

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I strongly disagree with this. While his offense has been up and down between bad and acceptable, Herb has elite defense. He and Dyson are different. Dyson has what Jrue had, an anticipation that lets him stay in front of his man without fouling. Herb's BB IQ and instincts are off the charts. He is like a quarterback seeing the whole field. He knows exactly what's happening at all times and it is what allows him to stop multiple players on the same possession. If you want to stop a player, Dyson is the better option, if you want to stop a play, Herb will blow it up.

Herb will cover for other players defensive deficiencies better than Dyson. Herb's skill is also harder to find, we can find a good enough 1 on 1 defender. You won't find a player like Herb that you can build a defense around and is happy with MLE money.

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And while I'm here, BI looks great and is shooting 7 3's a game without even having Murray.

So yeah congrats Pels talk for eating shite on both topics you dumb fricks argued with me about all offseason.

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God you are an insufferable prick.

Our cardinal sin is not figuring out how to get Dyson and herb on the court at the same time. It would actually be suffocating defense if you did it right

I agree, I am somewhat victory lapping just because Dyson is going to be a great player and I think I’ve been proven correct on that but that doesn’t mean I think he was a great fit here. The coaching staff and roster fit for him just wasn’t ideal. I don’t know if I could think of a more perfect combo than Trae and Dyson in the backcourt. If Dejounte was healthy and playing well, this could definitely be a trade where both sides come out on top.

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You're all still breaking the cardinal sin of judging a trade before even half a fricking season of ball is played. Let this shite breathe before you bums start taking victory laps.

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Posters were saying he’s an 8-9 player off the bench and not good enough to be a rotational player in the playoffs.

He just accomplished what no player has done in 35 years and the last to do it is the greatest player of all time.

I’m not comparing him to MJ, just stating facts.

That’s not a victory lap, that’s a parade for those that doubted the DD fan club….

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Even now, that would really only work well consistently with an outstanding PG, which we did not have last season and had to trade Dyson to get.

Dyson is only working out so well in Atlanta because he's paired with Trae.

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He was also being forced into one of the 4 round holes around Zion... No square pegs allowed.