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re: Murray to Pels is OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:13 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:13 am to whatiknowsofar
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We're not getting a center that can crack that lineup imo. They'll either be just as slow as Val, too small anyways, dumb, etc
I think Kessler/ Allen would be the only (2) in this scenario and even Kessler may be game/ matchup dependent.
Murray -30 Jose- 18
CJ- 30 Hawk- 18
I've posted a full minute breakdown 5 times now. Someone arguing Herb/ Trey to start please show me how tf that works.
Herb/ Trey are gonna start for 5min > CJ/ Hawk and then play the remaining minutes at SF? Yeah a 5min starter, genius.
CJ/ Hawk cannot play SF. Murray/ Jose should only play PG.
I hope the next person who makes this argument shows me how it doesn't look stupid on paper.
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 9:14 am
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Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:25 am to Dantheman504
Herb followed the opposing team’s best offensive player. I would think he would continue to do that.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:26 am to Dantheman504
I'm just talking about finishing games
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:40 am to Dantheman504
Dude, do you seriously think the pels are going to bench Herb, by far their best defender?
Who can also knock 3s down now.
Who can also knock 3s down now.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:49 am to Chalkywhite84
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Dude, do you seriously think the pels are going to bench Herb, by far their best defender?
Who can also knock 3s down now.
He can knock down 3's better than CJ and Trey? That's a rhetorical question, I know Herb has become a solid 3pt shooter. But that point is irrelevant in this conversation.
I already explained the 1st part of this. Adding Murray means maximizing CJ so he's not getting benched. Adding Murray also adds a defender which allows Herb to move to the bench without hurting us.
You can argue a Trey vs Herb start but thats prrtty much it.
We replaced our starting SF with a starting PG. Starting SG didn't change. Starting SF is open. Yall are trying to make this way too complicated
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:50 am to whatiknowsofar
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I'm just talking about finishing games
If we do end up with Allen then who would your closing (5) be? Just wondering, I don't have an angle here.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:52 am to Dantheman504
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Not necessarily. I'm pretty sure discussion was always Herb vs Trey unless CJ gets moved or is unable to start. CJ playing PG as a weak defender and out of position on offense made Herb's jobs harder and more needed. Getting Murray fixes that and adds defense back to the starting lineup while minimizing CJ's opportunities for mistake. Murray + CJ should have a better +/- than CJ/ Herb. Do yall really think we just got Murray and kept CJ to start Murray/ Herb at 1 and 2?
You’re literally the only person on here that thinks its Herb v Trey in regards to who starts. I’m not even sure what you’re exactly saying. Its Murray at 1, CJ at 2 and Herb 3 if Cj starts; if Trey starts Herb moves to 2. We saw this last season when Herb and Trey played together its not complicated. Personally, I think Trey should start but they’ll likely go with CJ and bring Trey off the bench. Herb going to bench is a nonstarter- nobody here ir in the local media has ever seriously considered Herb going to the bench.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:54 am to Dantheman504
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Adding Murray means maximizing CJ so he's not getting benched. Adding Murray also adds a defender which allows Herb to move to the bench without hurting us.
Adding dejounte does not mean we don’t need Herbs defense in the starting lineup. This is a VERY WRONG assumption.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 9:56 am to Dantheman504
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Yall are trying to make this way too complicated
Its not us buddy. Trust me.
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 9:57 am
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:00 am to Dantheman504
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If we do end up with Allen then who would your closing (5) be?
I'm assuming ingram is gone with that trade,
So I would still go
Murray
CJ
Herb
Trey
Zion
I only see allen in there if Trey or CJ is struggling or we need a stop situationally. My 5 min lineup with a 5 point game either up or down would be the 5 above
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:04 am to Pels_Yaz
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Yall are trying to make this way too complicated
Its not us buddy. Trust me
Buddy, then just show me a minute breakdown of how your scenario actually works and the reasoning.
Ya'll are quick to shut down my "complicated" ideas but barely give any reasoning to your surface level ideas past "player name here___ and how you feel about them".
I say so much that you can nitpick and ya'll say so little that its easy to argue your already predetermined opinion without any extra thought.
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 10:09 am
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:15 am to Dantheman504
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Buddy, then just show me a minute breakdown of how your scenario actually works and the reasoning.
You want me to give you a minute breakdown on what? Trey coming off the bench and finishing games? Easy- go look at last season.
Your ideas aren’t complicated they’re nonsensical from a basketball point of view. Herb Jones is your x factor, best defensive player by far, now shoots above 40 percent from 3, plays under a defensive minded coach, guards the best player and pretty sure every game he played last season he started. Hes not all of a sudden going to the bench because we got Dejounte.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:16 am to Dantheman504
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We replaced our starting SF with a starting PG. Starting SG didn't change. Starting SF is open. Yall are trying to make this way too complicated
This statement is right but not in the way that you are implying.
Last season Herb was our starting SG
ETA: if we want to maximize DJ’s defense, then we need to pair him with other good defenders too, read: Herb.
This post was edited on 7/5/24 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:21 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:21 am to Epic Cajun
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Last season Herb was our starting SG
Yup. I think what hes not getting is that Herb is not stuck at the 2 or 3. He’s interchangeable. You could argue the same for Trey. CJ is the one who’s really only a 2.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:22 am to Large Farva
wrong thread, sorry
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:22 am to Large Farva
Lol spurs and hornets out of nowhere. I really like the spurs draft picks- they have Hawks picks- coule be extremely valuable considering Hawks will tank
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:26 am to Epic Cajun
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Last season Herb was our starting SG
Understood. CJ was stsrting PG.. So that just slides over.
The only other scenario is Herb/ Trey SF. (Which I agreed with as a possibility above). I also gave my reasoning why it should be flipped.
You can sub Trey/ Zion for Herb/ Trey and it makes sense.
If you start Herb/ Zion then Trey can only come off the bench for 1 of them. Obviously you can stretch it out but it makes sense for
Trey/ Zion
Herb/ Zion
Herb/ Trey
>
Herb/ Zion
Herb/ Trey
Trey/ Zion
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:36 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:That tweet sounds odd. If Atlanta truly was interested in BI, I gotta think he would have gone in the Murray trade (unless the asking price has come down so much that they think they can get him for a deal centered around Capela). This sounds a lot like a leak from the Pels to try and get the Kings to move.
Lol spurs and hornets out of nowhere. I really like the spurs draft picks- they have Hawks picks- coule be extremely valuable considering Hawks will tank
Posted on 7/5/24 at 10:40 am to NOSHAU
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This sounds a lot like a leak from the Pels to try and get the Kings to move.
For sure.
quote:
If Atlanta truly was interested in BI, I gotta think he would have gone in the Murray trade (unless the asking price has come down so much that they think they can get him for a deal centered around Capela).
The flip side of this, maybe Capela was low on the list of desired centers coming back but Griff is finding other options like Kessler too expensive.
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