re: Kira

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No. I think his ceiling is 4th guard off the bench.

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Just take a step back and think about this. He is one of the first guards off the bench right now. He is in his rookie year and the youngest player in the league. This is elite level retardation. And if you meant to say his ceiling is 4th best guard on the roster, I still wont give you the benefit of the doubt.

9th youngest player in the league, 52 games into a career. Season started a month after he was drafted

Dude is exceeding expectations year 1. Eye test says, he’s a future legit NBA contributor

I think the draft comps are still pretty accurate. Elfrid Payton and Shroeder were brought up pre-draft. Kira's a better outside shooter and does as well driving but doesn't finish as well. He has a lot to learn defensively and he'll still be small even if he bulks, but he'll be contributor if he manages to add some weight (for his own health banging bodies) and if he continues to improve as a shooter. He and Hayes should put in time this off-season both learning to better pick and roll, they, together will Zion, can really develop some deadly pick and rolls given their combined quickness.

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pels mgmt is going to get a new pg.
they probably missed on kira.
maybe nba starts calling carrying the ball.
on that day kira can start.
for todays game as called hes too small.
hes not yet nearly good enough at anything.

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stop making such extreme projections on a player that has only logged 850 mims so far in his career as one of the youngest players in the league.

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so stop giving opinions all together, or stop giving opinions you don't like?

We don't all have to have sunshine pumping out our asses at all time about everything.

No one has said a negative thing about Kira on here since he was drafted b/c we all wanted to think he's going to be awesome. Now that we've seen more of him, we can give more honest opinions about his projection as a player, and yes we all know he still has a ton of room to grow as a player, but there are things about him that will always limit his ceiling, like his size and his athleticism. Yes he's fast as shite, but there are other guys that are fast as shite too. He's not the only guy in the league that's really fast. Is his speed going to help him finish at a crowded rim like Fox does? I doubt it, b/c he doesn't have the elite athleticism that Fox has. Is Ja Morant not fast? He's also got a 100" vertical. Elite athleticism. There's a difference between being athletic, and being elite. Of course Kira is athletic, but he doesn't have that elite athleticism and length that is needed for him to reach the level of someone like Fox, and that doesn't mean he can't become a good player.
Like I said before, there's a reason Fox was given player comparisons to John Wall and Westbrook, two of the fastest most explosive PG's to ever play, and Kira was given Collison/Schroder.

It's ok if Kira doesn't turn into a allstar max player. That was never something anyone expects of him. Doesn't mean he can't be a guy that gives a team 14/5 playing 28+mpg for the next 13 years and is an important piece to a winning team, whether that's as a starter or coming off the bench.

Kira needs to adopt Schroder's and TJ McConnell's defensive philosophy. What they do disrupts offenses big time, and it also helps divert the attention of trying to get them switched onto mismatches. If he can do that, and then improve his offensive game which i'm sure he will, whether it be shooting or finishing around the paint, he can definitely be a starter on a Zion winning team.

In my opinion, we do not need another guard, but we could use a forward that can play defense and hit the three.

On another note, can somebody please get Lonzo to watch highlights of himself to get his swagger back.

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want us to do the same for this upcoming draft, go for the player with the biggest upside, regardless of ability to contribute in 2022. 

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i prefer actual basketball players.
Ft? check.
can shoot an ordinary jumper from 8 to 18 with some arc on it.
sees the floor and makes passes so you can actually catch in stride.
hustles like his first born is on the line.
you get the guy who may or may not ever start on a wcf team. i get the guy i can put on the floor 82 games.
example
i wanted brandon clarke.
actual is hayes.
clarke was improving his outside shot before some 5 day injury. i betcha he returns from summer with an outside jumper to go with his very nice game in paint and on the break.
hes ok. solid. now.

im ok with NAW with the other pick. loved him in college. his best nba games are like his best college games.

i realize that hayes probably will justify the choice if he learns couple shots.

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think it would be a great move to try to do a S&T swap of Lonzo for Conley

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conley is near the end. hes 33. 13 yrs in nba.
its an interesting hope, that kira learns from conley.

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they'd never agree to send Lonzo to Utah

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WHy would they not want to go play for the team with the best record in the NBA that will pay him what he wants?

Lonzo doesn't need New York to maximize money off the court.

The teams that have had the most interest in Lonzo have been the Clippers, Bulls, Nuggets and Hawks, and i'm sure if Lonzo had his pick he'd be a Clipper, although this came out 2 days ago, but it's hard to really put any belief in anything a writer from NY or Chicago has to say.

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The 23-year-old point guard was already heavily tied to the Bulls at the trade deadline. In fact, Chicago reportedly made an offer for Ball and stayed in talks about acquiring him even after the Nikola Vucevic deal. Even though no deal got done, the hope for a Ball-Bulls marriage remained intact thanks to his looming restricted free agency.

The Pelicans will be able to match any contract offer thrown Ball’s way this summer, but their willingness to trade him at the deadline suggests that he could be had at the right price. What that price is and how willing the Bulls are to pay that price is unknown, but what is known is that they will have some fierce competition. The New York Posts’ Marc Berman wrote back in April that the Bulls are expected to be the Knicks’ top competition in pursuit for Ball. This wasn’t the first time we heard New York had an interest in the point guard’s services, but it did allude to the Knicks being even more aggressive in signing Ball than previously thought.

Now, NBC Sports Chicago’s K.C. Johnson has added to the story, writing in his latest mailbag that the word around the association is Ball could be in New York next season.

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Obviously all the chatter has been about the Bulls and Kincks, but that's b/c they have the biggest media followings in the NBA, along with the LA teams. You're never going to hear anything about the Nuggets or Jazz or Mavs or Hawks until something happens.

there was also this nugget in that article:

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The Bulls might be able to sell Ball on life with two All-Stars, but the Knicks can flash more proven results. Oh, and then there is the whole cap space advantage. The Knicks are in a position to have some of the highest spending power in the league, we’re talking well over $40+ million.

So not only could the Knick potentially outbid the Bulls for Ball, but they could also have an easier time in a sign-and-trade deal. Around the deadline, there was a rumor that the Pelicans could look to get off some of their longer contracts like Steven Adams and Eric Bledsoe. With all that extra money in their pocket, the Knicks wouldn’t really have to think twice about absorbing either player if they want Ball that bad.

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so we might not be looking to get a pick in the Lonzo S&T, but more so take one of those guys off our hands.