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Kira
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:50 pm
What do you all think, can Kira be a long-term answer at the point? He's definitely undersized, however, his speed and quickness are elite. He also may be an above-average 3 point shooter. He takes the 3 with confidence.
He obviously needs to get a lot stronger for better ball-control and finishing, but he has a nice float game and can beat help to the cup. The one thing I have not seen from him as much is his vision. Earlier in the season, I saw a lot of drives with a skip pass that are nice, but his lobs and backdoor passes seem a little errant.
He obviously needs to get a lot stronger for better ball-control and finishing, but he has a nice float game and can beat help to the cup. The one thing I have not seen from him as much is his vision. Earlier in the season, I saw a lot of drives with a skip pass that are nice, but his lobs and backdoor passes seem a little errant.
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:56 pm to Pistol44
I think it's likely, but not guaranteed.
We definitely can't go into next season with him as the starting PG.
We definitely can't go into next season with him as the starting PG.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 1:58 pm to Pistol44
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can Kira be a long-term answer at the point?
No. I think his ceiling is 4th guard off the bench. Elite speed, but he has a lot of growing to do offensively and defensively. Gets lost on screens, indecisive on offense, etc.
Edit: sorry sons. I'm just salty in general about pels missing playoffs and shite. Thats all.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:01 pm to whatiknowsofar
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his ceiling is 4th guard off the bench
Ceiling?!
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:09 pm to Pistol44
He’s not gonna sway our front office from not going after another PG in the draft or in FA
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
His ceiling is much, much higher than that. Not to say he will reach it, but his ceiling would be top-10 point guard in the NBA. He is one of the youngest players in the league. Give him time.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:17 pm to Pistol44
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can Kira be a long-term answer at the point?
Long term, yes. His speed will get him in the paint when he wants and he has enough scoring tools from different spots on the floor that if the defense sags off him he can make them pay.
Defensively he's undersized, but I think he can use his speed to be disruptive the way CP3 uses his smarts. So he may not be your go to stopper, but he'll be a plus defender.
The crazy thing about Kira is he's leaning on his elite speed kind of like Jaxson leaned on his athleticism at first. When he learns how to use his speed like Jaxson is learning how to use his athleticism, he'll be pretty hard to stop.
As much hate as Griff has justifiably gotten for the under performing team he assembled this season, the young foundation looks pretty solid. 4 of the 5 future starters are elite in a way that makes them nearly impossible to guard.
Kira - Speed
Ingram - Length
Zion - Strength, Speed
Jaxson - Length, Athleticism
Before you even put them in a scheme those 4 already have an offensive advantage over their opponent. A prime Klay Thompson type that can hit 3s and defend the best wing makes that squad hard to stop. Maybe NAW can be a Poor Man's Klay until you can trade for a better version.
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:19 pm to whatiknowsofar
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his ceiling is 4th guard off the bench
I'm not expecting him to be all pro, but he has a lot of room to grow and I think he has the tools to put together a good career. Agreed on not being the starter next season. He needs at least one more season under his belt to fine tune his game.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:20 pm to Macintosh504
I think you're right. It'd be nice to pick up someone like Brogdan and bring Kira along slowly. Avery Johnson had a nice piece on Kira and described him as very mature on the court and noted has been playing up in terms of age his whole career, becoming very successful at each level.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:25 pm to Pistol44
I think he can be a good backup PG that can play starter minutes.
He can be somewhere between Darren Collison and Dennis Schroder, Collison being the better shooter, Schroder the better scorer.
I do not think he is the answer at PG for us, although it's way to early to definitively say that, and i'd love to be proven wrong in my guess.
He was turnover prone at Alabama, and didn't really have a ton of assists for someone who had the ball in his hands so much, and being a PG. I think his ceiling is Schroder, and i'm not sure he can be as good as him as Schroder has a big advantage with his 6'8" wingspan.
I think a more important question to ask about him is what is his role supposed to be? Is he going to be a traditional PG that protects the ball and gets assists and knocks down open shots (Collison), or is he going to be a scoring PG that looks for his own offense (Kemba/Schroder).
He can be somewhere between Darren Collison and Dennis Schroder, Collison being the better shooter, Schroder the better scorer.
I do not think he is the answer at PG for us, although it's way to early to definitively say that, and i'd love to be proven wrong in my guess.
He was turnover prone at Alabama, and didn't really have a ton of assists for someone who had the ball in his hands so much, and being a PG. I think his ceiling is Schroder, and i'm not sure he can be as good as him as Schroder has a big advantage with his 6'8" wingspan.
I think a more important question to ask about him is what is his role supposed to be? Is he going to be a traditional PG that protects the ball and gets assists and knocks down open shots (Collison), or is he going to be a scoring PG that looks for his own offense (Kemba/Schroder).
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I think a more important question to ask about him is what is his role supposed to be? Is he going to be a traditional PG that protects the ball and gets assists and knocks down open shots (Collison), or is he going to be a scoring PG that looks for his own offense (Kemba/Schroder).
He's the extra scorer/ball handler that takes pressure of Zion/Ingram. I don't think you go into crunch time and switch from Point Zion to Kira. You still lead with Point Zion, but when that breaks down, Kira can step up and keep things from falling apart like they did this season.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:40 pm to TigerinATL
so you're saying he's taking pressure off of them by getting his own shot and scoring? We'll need to see some big strides in his ability to score next season if that's the case, and no i'm not doubting that he can do that. He's obviously still very young and has tons of potential to become the player he'll become.
One thing Kira did well this year was protect the ball. He was very turnover prone at Alabama, but has been nothign like that as a Pelican, although his usage is much different in the NBA than it was in college.
I feel like most of the time i've seen him out there he's not even really the PG and it's generally other guys initiating the offense, and i don't mean Zion. He's almost always in with Lonzo or Bledsoe, and even when it's NAW, NAW is more of the PG than Kira.
That's why i ask what's his expected role as a PG in the future, b/c it seems like we didn't really let him be much of a traditional PG this year.
One thing Kira did well this year was protect the ball. He was very turnover prone at Alabama, but has been nothign like that as a Pelican, although his usage is much different in the NBA than it was in college.
I feel like most of the time i've seen him out there he's not even really the PG and it's generally other guys initiating the offense, and i don't mean Zion. He's almost always in with Lonzo or Bledsoe, and even when it's NAW, NAW is more of the PG than Kira.
That's why i ask what's his expected role as a PG in the future, b/c it seems like we didn't really let him be much of a traditional PG this year.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:53 pm to TeddyPadillac
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we didn't really let him be much of a traditional PG this year.
GOP is right in that we can't go into next season expecting Kira to start. I think his development arc will probably end up being a lot like Jaxson's has. He might not start playing winning basketball until after the ASB next year.
Even though he looks very raw, Kira has shown a lot to like from a player that still needs a lot of development: The catch and shoot 3, the step back/pull up 3 and mid range, a variety of floaters, and the surprisingly great Assist to Turnover ratio.
When he puts all of these different pieces together, I think he's going to be a very useful player. Maybe he's more Darren Collison than De'Aaron Fox, but there's nothing wrong with Collison. Especially when you don't need a true point guard that runs the offense 100% of the time. But I never remember Collison looking cartoonishly faster than everyone else on the court.
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:55 pm to TigerinATL
At beginning of this season I thought that we needed a vet PG to come off the bench. I really like Kira but I still think signing a vet to a 1 year contract and not having to rely on Kira to be the only PG off the bench will help a lot next season.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 2:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
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No. I think his ceiling is 4th guard off the bench. Elite speed, but he has a lot of growing to do offensively and defensively. Gets lost on screens, indecisive on offense, etc.
I would be curious if you would have written De'Aaron Fox off as a future starter at this point in his career because Kira's numbers compare pretty favorable. The caveat is Fox shouldered much more of the workload, but he was also older than Kira was as a rookie.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think he’s going to be one of the very best 2nd team PG in the NBA in the next 2 seasons who averages 24-26 minutes a night but I’m not sure if he’s e we the starting PG for the Pelicans. He has the talent but I see them either drafting or trading some of our picks for the starting PG they want to pair Zion with. That being said I think with a lot of sweat and hard work NAW can be that PG even though he’s more of a combo guard right now.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:08 pm to LSUJD_04
Even NAW himself has said he’s not a PG. no one wants him at PG. he’s a SG
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:08 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think we need a good shooter from the point with moderate usage. We need more scoring from top of the key and back.
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:10 pm to kadillak
Who would be ok with our roster next year being this plus our 1st round draft pick? I like the players on our team I just think they need more time to develop together.
PG: NAW
SG: Ball
SF: Ingram
PF: Zion
C: Adams
Bench:
PG: Kira
SG: Hart/DD
SF: Naji/Hart
PF: Johnson/Wenyen
C: Hayes/Billy
PG: NAW
SG: Ball
SF: Ingram
PF: Zion
C: Adams
Bench:
PG: Kira
SG: Hart/DD
SF: Naji/Hart
PF: Johnson/Wenyen
C: Hayes/Billy
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 5/13/21 at 3:12 pm to kadillak
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I would be curious if you would have written De'Aaron Fox off as a future starter at this point in his career because Kira's numbers compare pretty favorable. The caveat is Fox shouldered much more of the workload, but he was also older than Kira was as a rookie.
Fox was drafted 5th overall. he had much higher expectations and potential than Kira.
Kira is undersized, and that will always limit him.
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