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re: Kings and Pels in trade talks …
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:24 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:24 am to Epic Cajun
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It’s not semantics, if you give DJ more minutes it minimizes the impact of his backup, which means that it doesn’t make sense to sink assets (salary cap) into that position. That position should be minimized even more in the playoffs where you really want to maximize the playing time of your best players
The original response was to DJ getting 36min and the backup only getting (12min). Response was breaking down how the backup would still get 20+ min easily.
Murray accounting for 32-34min in my scenario and "not equating exactly to 36min" while proving the backup can get 20+ is some slight semantics, just saying.
Those are arguments I get stuck in while showing as a whole it works. Whole thing blown up because of 2min and then guys thinking im an a-hole defending pages of "2min" instead of the actual full trade i posted.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 11:29 am
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Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:32 am to Dantheman504
The entire point that you just refuse to acknowledge is that we don’t need to devote more resources to a position that is minimized on this roster, especially when we already have a cheap option on the roster.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:36 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Exactly. Devoting $13 million+ more to the position takes that away from somewhere else.
The entire point that you just refuse to acknowledge is that we don’t need to devote more resources to a position that is minimized on this roster, especially when we already have a cheap option on the roster.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:42 am to Epic Cajun
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The entire point that you just refuse to acknowledge is that we don’t need to devote more resources to a position that is minimized on this roster, especially when we already have a cheap option on the roster.
Yes you are correct and I agree. We don't HAVE to upgrade backup PG. If we have the space created through a BI trade I WOULD.
There's many people that wouldn't just because they like Jose > upgrading. I cant argue or fight those responses..
Half of those same people aren't even aware we ACTUALLY COULD and don't understand the cap/ money situation.
I thank ATL for the intellectual conversation and helping breakdown the cap situation confirming it IS possible.
Regardless of Tyus, I can't control getting arguments from people that literally aren't capable of processing all the information.
And I try to reason with people before being an a-hole.
I can't reason with people that choose to be ignorant or refuse to process what I'm saying.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:44 am to Dantheman504
Does Tyus want to come off the bench though?
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:50 am to Epic Cajun
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especially when we already have a cheap option on the roster
Something everyone else refuses to acknowledge is that you are arguing a short term solution vs a long term solution. I see the value of Tyus on this team 3+ years on a contender.
I see Jose's value as a 3mil player on an expiring contract that should be upgraded at some point and is replaceable.
If the "some point" can be now then why not? Tyus at 18-20mil is still a very good contract for what others of similar value will get paid in 2 years.
The "money side" comes down to CJ. This move is made knowing CJ is going out.
We can take back an extra salary to see how we play this year and who works because we know we can get (30mil) back moving CJ depending on how it goes.
At that point EVERYONE on our roster is locked for 3+ years except CJ + Hawk. That gives you CJ + Hawk + all picks to do whatever the hell you want and only needing 1 guy.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:51 am to Dantheman504
Dude, just shut up about Tyus fricking Jones.
It’s ok if people disagree with you. You can’t get pissed off b/c someone disagrees with you.
We have more concerning issues at the moment than backup pg, like not having a starting center or backup center or backup pf, or backup wings, or having to trade the guy that doesn’t want to be here and we don’t want.
It’s ok if people disagree with you. You can’t get pissed off b/c someone disagrees with you.
We have more concerning issues at the moment than backup pg, like not having a starting center or backup center or backup pf, or backup wings, or having to trade the guy that doesn’t want to be here and we don’t want.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:52 am to Colonel Flagg
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Does Tyus want to come off the bench though?
Tyus wants to get paid respectfully to his value. "Starting PG money".
I think he'd much rather play with Zion/ CJ/ Trey > going back to the Wizards.
Not many teams with space or cap for a starting PG.
At this point in his career he would probably rather compete > being the leader on a lottery team as long as he gets paid.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 11:53 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 11:53 am to Dantheman504
You’re arguing with me and I understand the cap situation fully. I also don’t live in fairytale land, so I’m assuming the tax is our hard cap, and if that’s the case it doesn’t make sense to allocate such a large portion to the backup guard spot when we already have a cheap option there. I don’t think the front office is going to go into the tax just to upgrade from Jose to Tyus, even admitting that Tyus is a better player.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 11:57 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 12:02 pm to Epic Cajun
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it doesn’t make sense to allocate such a large portion to the backup guard spot when we already have a cheap option there. I don’t think the front office is going to go go into the tax just to upgrade from Jose to Tyus
I don't disagree. I also think we can do this without going into the tax.
The semantics here would be whether the Pels value Tyus higher as a contender piece or Jose higher as a cheap roster filler.
That's where I firmly believe Tyus is one of those pieces.
If we couldn't get Murray then Tyus would probably be our #1 PG without a doubt. The fact that he hasn't signed, hasn't leaked anything, and we are pretty much the ONLY team that announced clear interest is quite telling IMO.
At the very worst: If other teams can't afford Tyus or don't need a PG, or don't want to give up assets for him and we CAN with a BI trade then you do it...
That's just a "take the value" decision and it being a bonus that the player fits our roster.
Worst that happens is that we now have a high contributing backup PG upgrade that needs to be moved to a team needing a starting PG.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:53 pm to Dantheman504
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semantics
Honest question. How much do you get paid for using this word?
Posted on 7/4/24 at 1:59 pm to Dantheman504
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I don't disagree. I also think we can do this without going into the tax. The semantics here would be whether the Pels value Tyus higher as a contender piece or Jose higher as a cheap roster filler. That's where I firmly believe Tyus is one of those pieces. If we couldn't get Murray then Tyus would probably be our #1 PG without a doubt. The fact that he hasn't signed, hasn't leaked anything, and we are pretty much the ONLY team that announced clear interest is quite telling IMO. At the very worst: If other teams can't afford Tyus or don't need a PG, or don't want to give up assets for him and we CAN with a BI trade then you do it...
Why is this even a discussion? Theres no credible rumor even linking Pels getting Tyus Jones.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 2:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Dude, just shut up about Tyus fricking Jones.
It’s ok if people disagree with you. You can’t get pissed off b/c someone disagrees with you.
We have more concerning issues at the moment than backup pg, like not having a starting center or backup center or backup pf, or backup wings, or having to trade the guy that doesn’t want to be here and we don’t want.
Think he has tyus jones on his ceiling above the bed
I feel like people on here would be happy with trading Ingram for any center even If it means the pels lose the trade. Like Ingram for allen.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 6:30 pm to Chalkywhite84
Chadboy
Posted on 7/4/24 at 6:32 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Like Ingram for allen.
Wouldn’t be losing the trade, IMO
Posted on 7/5/24 at 1:58 pm to Epic Cajun
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Like Ingram for allen.
Wouldn’t be losing the trade, IMO
You would for sure be losing that trade.
Teams view Ingram much higher than this board.
He is a wing compared to a center. When he is on he is butter. That is his problem though, too many off nights.
Still, he is way above Jarrett allen. People would look back and say why did we give Ingram away so cheap.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 2:01 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Teams view Ingram much higher than this board.
Are you sure about? National and local media don’t have this opinion and most of the rumored trades for him have been pretty underwhelming. Part of the issue is most people feel with his contract he will be overpaid.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 2:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
Not only overpaid but, short of him getting extended upon trade, he is in a position to walk and that depresses his value
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:09 pm to teke184
That's the problem. Any team that wants BI has to have a conversation with his agent and make sure that they can sign him to an extension.
Posted on 7/5/24 at 3:11 pm to GOP_Tiger
With the Kings seeming to pivot to Derozan, it is gonna take a dark horse to get something done it appears.
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