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re: KAT wants to be traded from the Wolves
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:52 pm to greewe
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:52 pm to greewe
You do know there is this thinginthe NBA called a roster limit right?
You have Minnesota taking in 6 guys and sending 1 out
Plus, getting rid of Jrue in the deal?
Never gonna happen.
You have Minnesota taking in 6 guys and sending 1 out
Plus, getting rid of Jrue in the deal?
Never gonna happen.
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:52 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Centers to win a championship as the best player:
Shaq
Duncan
Olajuwon
Dwight almost did.
That’s it for the last 30 something years.
You could win one with him if you have BI and Zion. KAT can step outside and shoot it better than any of those guys. Out of the top 20 PPG guys, he is the best 3 point shooter in basketball this year and he is shooting it over 8 times a game. That is nuts.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:53 pm to Soggymoss
I know it’s ridiculous. Trust me I know. I’m not saying I would do that. I’m saying that’s what it would take and why each team considers it.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:54 pm to roguepelican
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I'd say jrue has to be in any deal for him
Jrue does nothing for them by trading away KAT. You don't trade your 24 y/o franchise player and request a 29 y/o player back in the haul
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:55 pm to Macintosh
Just wait. There is absolutely no need to make a move like this now, especially for a guy like KAT.
Continue to draft well, develop your talent and roster.
When the right player comes around at the right time, make a move.
Continue to draft well, develop your talent and roster.
When the right player comes around at the right time, make a move.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:55 pm to Fun Bunch
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You wouldn't be able to keep your core intact, and you'd be giving up virtually every pick you gained.
At some point Zion and Ingram are going to get paid and then money will matter. Having KAT means you won't have multiple something elses. If he's giving you 25/12 that may be fine, but I doubt he's giving you that with Zion and Ingram as your offensive focal points. KAT would get Boshed if he came here and somehow I doubt he'd make the best of it and focus on anchoring the defense.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:55 pm to Fun Bunch
Your core is Ingram and Williamson. Everyone else is expendable. I don’t give a shite about draft picks. An A level player will do more than any role player that will come through a draft.
BI+Williamson+Towns is a dream lineup at this point. And if it doesn’t work out, you can trade him at any point in time as his value won’t decline as long as he remains relatively healthy. He’ll be hitting his prime when his contract is up. I’m not worried especially since you have 4 more years of Zion on his rookie contract to figure out of BI and/or Towns can bring you a championship.
BI+Williamson+Towns is a dream lineup at this point. And if it doesn’t work out, you can trade him at any point in time as his value won’t decline as long as he remains relatively healthy. He’ll be hitting his prime when his contract is up. I’m not worried especially since you have 4 more years of Zion on his rookie contract to figure out of BI and/or Towns can bring you a championship.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:57 pm to Macintosh
I would be calling to see if we could take RoCo off of their hands, or dare I say... see if they would sell low on Wiggins to get out of his contract. I am not a Wiggins fan, but I wonder if a differnt staff and culture can get anything out of him. He still has too much raw talent and has showed some signs this seasons.
The more I think about it, nevermind. I want nothing to do with Wiggins
The more I think about it, nevermind. I want nothing to do with Wiggins
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:57 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:That's another thing.
When the right player comes around at the right time, make a move.
By making that move, we've used all of our assets for a future move. We can remain patient and over the next couple of seasons, a similar guy who may fit better will still be available, and at that point, we'll have a better idea of how good some of our assets are.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 3:58 pm to supe12sta12z
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BI+Williamson+Towns is a dream lineup at this point.
Respectfully, I vehemently do not agree.
This is not the time to make this move, and its not the player to make the move for.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:00 pm to 504Voodoo
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or dare I say... see if they would sell low on Wiggins to get out of his contract. I am not a Wiggins fan, but I wonder if a differnt staff and culture can get anything out of him. He still has too much raw talent and has showed some signs this seasons.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:06 pm to greewe
It wouldn't take that much
You are overvaluing KAT
You also have to look around the league at teams that would be interested in him and what they have to deal.
GS: Russel and 3 1sts is their max
Boston: (should be the team for him imo) Hayward, or Brown/Smart, Memphis 1st and their 1sts
Clips: Lou Will, Harrel, nothing in draft capital
OKC (Second choice for him): They can offer the moon, and should be another frontrunner for him
As for us, I wouldnt go anymore than the 2nd deal I laid out earlier in Favors, Ball and 3-4 1sts
Let someone else overpay for him, as he's to soft to ever bring you a championship IMO
You are overvaluing KAT
You also have to look around the league at teams that would be interested in him and what they have to deal.
GS: Russel and 3 1sts is their max
Boston: (should be the team for him imo) Hayward, or Brown/Smart, Memphis 1st and their 1sts
Clips: Lou Will, Harrel, nothing in draft capital
OKC (Second choice for him): They can offer the moon, and should be another frontrunner for him
As for us, I wouldnt go anymore than the 2nd deal I laid out earlier in Favors, Ball and 3-4 1sts
Let someone else overpay for him, as he's to soft to ever bring you a championship IMO
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:10 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You could win one with him if you have BI and Zion. KAT can step outside and shoot it better than any of those guys. Out of the top 20 PPG guys, he is the best 3 point shooter in basketball this year and he is shooting it over 8 times a game. That is nuts.
And his team sucks, again. His only winning season came when he had Butler. This was his year to show he’s grown and gotten better and can lead a team. He’s failed b/c he’s not a leader and can’t be the best player on a good team.
Yes he’s a great offensively player, but his game isn’t translating to victories.
Think about what Chris Bosh did in Toronto. He led his team in his 4th year to 47 wins. His starters were Bargnani, TJ Ford, Juan Dixon, and Anthony Parker (whoever the hell that is).
I just have no desire to invest money into a 5 that is a supposed #1 guy.
I want my money at the guard position, and I want my 5 to be the perfect complimentary role player for my best players at the guard positions.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
I believe the one trade Griff will look to move everything for is Beal in the offseason
Ball
NAW
And as many 1sts as it takes
Ball
NAW
And as many 1sts as it takes
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:15 pm to Soggymoss
Again I’m not advocating for a deal in this neighborhood where we sell the farm for a guy like KAT right now. But the question was what do people think it would take to get him, and I think it would take all our assets. He is a top 15ish player with 4 years left on his deal. That generally requires you to trade away most of the future. Again I don’t believe now is the window to do so. But that’s what it would take and why each team would at least think about it for a second.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:19 pm to greewe
And again, you're overvaluing KAT
He will not bring Minny that much in a deal
1-2 young players with potential
1- vet with all star potential
2-4 1sts
That will be it
You're trading an allstar, and multiple young future all stars with a boatload of picks for him
That would be the equivalent of the haul we got for AD AND what OKC got for PG
He will not bring Minny that much in a deal
1-2 young players with potential
1- vet with all star potential
2-4 1sts
That will be it
You're trading an allstar, and multiple young future all stars with a boatload of picks for him
That would be the equivalent of the haul we got for AD AND what OKC got for PG
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:23 pm to Soggymoss
I think it’s probably a combo of me over valuing KAT but also some are overvaluing our guys a little bit. There wouldn’t be any players leaving who are in the same ballpark as Ingram or SGA. And I know we all hope the Lakers picks will be great but in all likelihood they will be late first round and there’s not a tremendous chance any of the swaps convey. The BSS podcast the other day thought Lonzo has the value of two second round picks. I think some fans value NAW more than the league sees him. Yes he has some promise but he is still the 12th man on our roster for a reason. I think the league probably sees him as a late first round rookie who has not played well so far.
Again, I am not arguing in favor of this. I think this is the type of move a win now team makes, and we are still building. Just talking about value around the league of these players and draft picks.
Again, I am not arguing in favor of this. I think this is the type of move a win now team makes, and we are still building. Just talking about value around the league of these players and draft picks.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
Sounds like AD doesn’t it?
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:27 pm to greewe
No, you're considerably overvaluing KAT..
You're sending out Jrue, NAW, Hayes and 3 1st rounders, plus 2 pick swaps for him
Jrue alone would net a player like KAT
You're sending out Jrue, NAW, Hayes and 3 1st rounders, plus 2 pick swaps for him
Jrue alone would net a player like KAT
Posted on 12/30/19 at 4:29 pm to Soggymoss
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Jrue alone would net a player like KAT
if/when the wolves ever trade towns they will not want jrue holiday coming back. they will be in a tear down
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