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Jrue, Tatum, and Randle
Posted on 3/5/19 at 6:42 am
Posted on 3/5/19 at 6:42 am
Sounds like a lot assume that these are our 3 core players next year. Yes, we might have others under contract and several other draft picks, but this is our core. Anybody else can be traded or moved for the right guy(s) that fit around our core.
Way I see it, you have an elite combo guard in Jrue that can guard both backcourt positions. A scorer on the wing in Tatum who can guard the 3 and small 4's, who rebounds well for his position. A scorer in Randle that can play the 4 and maybe finish at the 5 in the new NBA if there are enough rebounders around him.
So, with that in mind, who would be the ideal type of guys to put next to these 3. Not All Star type players, but like good players who are gettable or who you could develop in the draft. What skill sets do you put around those three?
I think you need a lead ball handler who can shoot 3's. A guy who is equally effective on the ball and off. And I think you need a stretch center who can rebound to start games - D. Dedmon would be my guy. Then, at end of games, Tatum and either Dedmon or Randle are at the 4/5, so I would have a 3 and D wing to finish games. Like, Danny Green.
In the backcourt, give me DJ Augustin. Or this might be a crazy one, but how about.....Derrick Rose!
Rose-Jrue-Tatum-Randle-Dedmon would be a lot of fun, then a ton of young guys developing and Marcus Smart on the bench. Pretty cool!!
Way I see it, you have an elite combo guard in Jrue that can guard both backcourt positions. A scorer on the wing in Tatum who can guard the 3 and small 4's, who rebounds well for his position. A scorer in Randle that can play the 4 and maybe finish at the 5 in the new NBA if there are enough rebounders around him.
So, with that in mind, who would be the ideal type of guys to put next to these 3. Not All Star type players, but like good players who are gettable or who you could develop in the draft. What skill sets do you put around those three?
I think you need a lead ball handler who can shoot 3's. A guy who is equally effective on the ball and off. And I think you need a stretch center who can rebound to start games - D. Dedmon would be my guy. Then, at end of games, Tatum and either Dedmon or Randle are at the 4/5, so I would have a 3 and D wing to finish games. Like, Danny Green.
In the backcourt, give me DJ Augustin. Or this might be a crazy one, but how about.....Derrick Rose!
Rose-Jrue-Tatum-Randle-Dedmon would be a lot of fun, then a ton of young guys developing and Marcus Smart on the bench. Pretty cool!!
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Posted on 3/5/19 at 6:47 am to BetOnIt
Payton would be the perfect ball handler..
Payton
Jrue
Tatum
Kenny H
Randle
That's a hustle closing 5 that will give teams fits with their energy
Bring in a Robin Lopez to start games and bully guys like Jokic, KAT, Embiid and wear them down until we bring the hustle squad out to run them off the court
Payton
Jrue
Tatum
Kenny H
Randle
That's a hustle closing 5 that will give teams fits with their energy
Bring in a Robin Lopez to start games and bully guys like Jokic, KAT, Embiid and wear them down until we bring the hustle squad out to run them off the court
Posted on 3/5/19 at 6:59 am to Soggymoss
You really think that team would make the playoffs?
I don't know. I just don't buy they can sustain this for a whole season. I think they are trying to prove a point right now and are playing above their heads. I think talent will definitely need to be added for them to keep winning games next year. And Payton is just not a guy who impresses me. This team needs much more shooting in my opinion to really be winners
I don't know. I just don't buy they can sustain this for a whole season. I think they are trying to prove a point right now and are playing above their heads. I think talent will definitely need to be added for them to keep winning games next year. And Payton is just not a guy who impresses me. This team needs much more shooting in my opinion to really be winners
Posted on 3/5/19 at 7:16 am to BetOnIt
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This team needs much more shooting in my opinion to really be winners
Especially if you have Smart and your bigs are Randle/Dedmon, I think Payton becomes a questionable fit. But he will probably be cheap so I can see him sticking around. If they keep winning it will be a good story but they'll still have problems attracting FAs they don't have to overpay for.
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I just don't buy they can sustain this for a whole season. I think they are trying to prove a point right now and are playing above their heads.
Pels players have said they're just following the energy of the team leaders. Jrue and Randle both play like this all the time, so if they other guys are just playing off that why can't it be sustainable? They aren't winning because other guys are on a hot shooting streak, like Moore earlier in the season. They're winning because guys are hustling and making plays on defense.
The team is starting to take on Jrue's personality, they added a grinder like Kenny Hustle, and hopefully get a guy like Smart. I'd be very disappointed if they weren't able to sustain what we're seeing. The style at least, maybe Jrue won't save every game with magic steals, but I'd like to see him try.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 7:24 am to BetOnIt
I'm wondering if Jeremy Lin could be had for cheap. I think he'd be a solid complement to Jrue and Smart. I'm not opposed to Augustin, but I don't know what we'd have to give up to get him from Orlando. He's owed $7.25m going into next season.
Derrick Rose wouldn't be bad either but not sure if he's a winning basketball player anymore.
On the big side, I do love Dedmon because he won't be required to finish games. Brook Lopez would be good too with his ability to stretch the floor and pass out of the block.
But here's an idea...
We should have plenty of cap space after dealing AD and Solo (presumably). If we keep Randle at a modest raise and don't trade Moore we may have enough to offer Nikola Vucevic!
He's not a rim protector mind you, but he's solid offensively and you may not need him to finish games if you want to go small and hustle with Randle, Tatum, Williams, Jrue, Smart (defensive nightmare).
You sign a Dragan Bender to be your "starting" 4 because I want Randle to come off the bench and then finish games
Final roster in a perfect world
Lin / Smart / Jackson
Holiday / Moore / Bertans
Tatum / K. Williams / Okpala
Bender / Randle / Diallo
Vucevic / Okafor / R. Williams
You do lack some defensive prowess in that starting unit but you don't lack hustle and hard play anywhere on this roster.
Shooting with Holiday, Tatum, Bender, Vucevic, Moore
Defensive lineup is scary with Smart, Jrue, Tatum, Williams, and Randle
Derrick Rose wouldn't be bad either but not sure if he's a winning basketball player anymore.
On the big side, I do love Dedmon because he won't be required to finish games. Brook Lopez would be good too with his ability to stretch the floor and pass out of the block.
But here's an idea...
We should have plenty of cap space after dealing AD and Solo (presumably). If we keep Randle at a modest raise and don't trade Moore we may have enough to offer Nikola Vucevic!
He's not a rim protector mind you, but he's solid offensively and you may not need him to finish games if you want to go small and hustle with Randle, Tatum, Williams, Jrue, Smart (defensive nightmare).
You sign a Dragan Bender to be your "starting" 4 because I want Randle to come off the bench and then finish games
Final roster in a perfect world
Lin / Smart / Jackson
Holiday / Moore / Bertans
Tatum / K. Williams / Okpala
Bender / Randle / Diallo
Vucevic / Okafor / R. Williams
You do lack some defensive prowess in that starting unit but you don't lack hustle and hard play anywhere on this roster.
Shooting with Holiday, Tatum, Bender, Vucevic, Moore
Defensive lineup is scary with Smart, Jrue, Tatum, Williams, and Randle
Posted on 3/5/19 at 7:28 am to TigerinATL
Injuries will happen. They always do.
I think this team is playing at an effort level of 110 right now. Most teams are coasting, either preparing for playoffs or the tank. I'd say most are playing at between a 60-80.
Its one thing to play like this for a 25 game stretch run after you just had a one week break. To prove a point to your "superstar"
But for a full 82 game season? I just can't see it. And even if they fall off 10% effort wise, that is enough to turn all these close wins into losses. The margin of error is so small in the NBA. The difference between a 45 win team and a 35 win team is maybe 1 point per half.
More talent and shooting will be needed. I just am not personally expecting this to be the norm moving forward for most/all of our guys. But 90% of what they are now, plus Tatum and 2-3 other real players, and I am excited!
I think this team is playing at an effort level of 110 right now. Most teams are coasting, either preparing for playoffs or the tank. I'd say most are playing at between a 60-80.
Its one thing to play like this for a 25 game stretch run after you just had a one week break. To prove a point to your "superstar"
But for a full 82 game season? I just can't see it. And even if they fall off 10% effort wise, that is enough to turn all these close wins into losses. The margin of error is so small in the NBA. The difference between a 45 win team and a 35 win team is maybe 1 point per half.
More talent and shooting will be needed. I just am not personally expecting this to be the norm moving forward for most/all of our guys. But 90% of what they are now, plus Tatum and 2-3 other real players, and I am excited!
Posted on 3/5/19 at 7:52 am to BetOnIt
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and I am excited!
It has been fun watching these guys climb out from underneath AD's shadow.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:09 am to BetOnIt
just wait until we get the 2nd pick and add Ja Morant to the equation
This post was edited on 3/5/19 at 8:10 am
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:15 am to BallHawk
It's really hard to know what we will be able to do in the offseason given the uncertainty of the trade.
I'd really like to find a way to get Vucevic, although i think he'll cost too much. I think a simple trade that can be made is Solo for Mahinmi. Despite Mahinmi's bloated salary, for 1 year, he's a good rim protector. I'm sure we could trade away a 2nd rounder to make that happen.
I also would like to get Darren Collison back to run the point. He's one of the best 3 point shooting pg's in the league, and is a capable defender albeit a small one, but you'll know he'll bring it every night.
I'd really like to find a way to get Vucevic, although i think he'll cost too much. I think a simple trade that can be made is Solo for Mahinmi. Despite Mahinmi's bloated salary, for 1 year, he's a good rim protector. I'm sure we could trade away a 2nd rounder to make that happen.
I also would like to get Darren Collison back to run the point. He's one of the best 3 point shooting pg's in the league, and is a capable defender albeit a small one, but you'll know he'll bring it every night.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:21 am to BetOnIt
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The difference between a 45 win team and a 35 win team is maybe 1 point per half.
That's not the difference.
the difference is one team has a closer they can go to at the end of games, and the other team does not.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:28 am to TeddyPadillac
Celtics are actually the best offensive team in clutch rating EVER and they are drastically falling below expectations.
I know some people think the end of games is the end all, be all, but games are won and lost in every minute and every quarter.
And the difference between good teams and bad teams is so small.
I know some people think the end of games is the end all, be all, but games are won and lost in every minute and every quarter.
And the difference between good teams and bad teams is so small.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:28 am to TeddyPadillac
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I think a simple trade that can be made is Solo for Mahinmi.
Yeah, I think swapping Solo for one of the other terrible contracts from that summer like Mahinmi/Biyombo/Mozgov is a lot more likely than attracting a FA big on a reasonable contract.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:35 am to TigerinATL
I really like Solo for Ian. They traded Porter and Oubre, they could lose Ariza and Green this summer. Makes sense for them
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:41 am to BetOnIt
We definitely need 3 point shooters off the bench too. We should be able to play 2 different brands of basketball.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:55 am to BetOnIt
Crewz, this has to be the least subtle alter ever 
But following the original route, my ideal offseason (assuming we have 2 1sts/Tatum/Smart from a Boston deal and our pick and don’t get lucky) would go
Deandre Hunter at 9-10 area (safe pick 3/D wing)
Garland in that 14-17 area (project PG)
Gafford/Reid in the late 1st in that order (project big that will need refining at the NBA level)
(Side note: I don’t know anything about the euro draft and stashes)
Free Agency:
Ricky Rubio (1 yr 15 million)
Julius Randle (4 yr 56 million)
Cheick Diallo (3 yr 12 milllion)
Super Ideal World: Package Frank, our second, one of the non Washington seconds or our 2020 second, to dump Hill and sign Ariza to a 1 year 15mil deal
Depth Chart
Rubio/Smart/Garland
Jrue/Ariza/Moore
Tatum/Kenrich/Hunter/Ariza
Randle/Kenrich/Tatum/Hunter
Okafor/Diallo/Gafford
You’d carry only Jrue/Smart/Tatum/Diallo/Randle/the 3 rookies
Into 2020 with a projected 118m cap.
Wings, ball handlers, and perimeter defense for days. Slightly low on pure shooters, but should be serviceable enough.
But following the original route, my ideal offseason (assuming we have 2 1sts/Tatum/Smart from a Boston deal and our pick and don’t get lucky) would go
Deandre Hunter at 9-10 area (safe pick 3/D wing)
Garland in that 14-17 area (project PG)
Gafford/Reid in the late 1st in that order (project big that will need refining at the NBA level)
(Side note: I don’t know anything about the euro draft and stashes)
Free Agency:
Ricky Rubio (1 yr 15 million)
Julius Randle (4 yr 56 million)
Cheick Diallo (3 yr 12 milllion)
Super Ideal World: Package Frank, our second, one of the non Washington seconds or our 2020 second, to dump Hill and sign Ariza to a 1 year 15mil deal
Depth Chart
Rubio/Smart/Garland
Jrue/Ariza/Moore
Tatum/Kenrich/Hunter/Ariza
Randle/Kenrich/Tatum/Hunter
Okafor/Diallo/Gafford
You’d carry only Jrue/Smart/Tatum/Diallo/Randle/the 3 rookies
Into 2020 with a projected 118m cap.
Wings, ball handlers, and perimeter defense for days. Slightly low on pure shooters, but should be serviceable enough.
This post was edited on 3/5/19 at 8:56 am
Posted on 3/5/19 at 8:56 am to BetOnIt
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games are won and lost in every minute and every quarter.
Come on man...
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:01 am to BetOnIt
Payton .327%
Jrue .329%
Kenny .333%
Randle .345%
Frank .304%
Moore .428%
Add in Tatum at .369%, and the progression from Frank and K Will (you can expect them to hit at around 35% next season), we are not that devoid of "shooters".. We could target a guy like Markus Howard in the 2nd round who shoots at 45%+ from 3, and maybe sign someone like JJ Reddick, but I would be content going into next season with what we have, what we recieve from AD and who we draft
Jrue .329%
Kenny .333%
Randle .345%
Frank .304%
Moore .428%
Add in Tatum at .369%, and the progression from Frank and K Will (you can expect them to hit at around 35% next season), we are not that devoid of "shooters".. We could target a guy like Markus Howard in the 2nd round who shoots at 45%+ from 3, and maybe sign someone like JJ Reddick, but I would be content going into next season with what we have, what we recieve from AD and who we draft
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:06 am to ShamelessPel
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Cheick Diallo (3 yr 12 milllion)
If we don't sign him to a minimum deal, he won't be in the NBA next year. That's almost as stupid as the Ajinca signing.
This post was edited on 3/5/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:18 am to TeddyPadillac
Well, no, it isn’t. It’s about 4% of the cap instead of 8-9%, while having 1 less year in the deal.
Posted on 3/5/19 at 9:40 am to ShamelessPel
I don't care how much of the cap% it is. it's more than the minimum, which is too much.
Who the hell do you think is going to sign him to something even remotely close to that?
There is no reason to give $4M/yr, much less $4M/yr for 3 years to a guy that has done absolutely nothing to prove hes worthy of playing on a quality NBA team. There is no reason to give any replacement player a multi year deal. He can be replaced at anytime with tons of other minimum deal players.
I love his hustle, and i'd like to keep him, but 3/$12 is ludicrous.
Who the hell do you think is going to sign him to something even remotely close to that?
There is no reason to give $4M/yr, much less $4M/yr for 3 years to a guy that has done absolutely nothing to prove hes worthy of playing on a quality NBA team. There is no reason to give any replacement player a multi year deal. He can be replaced at anytime with tons of other minimum deal players.
I love his hustle, and i'd like to keep him, but 3/$12 is ludicrous.
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