re: JJ Redick Podcast On The Trade To Dallas

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I mean, what part of Griff told him one thing and did another are you not understanding here?

If Griff indeed did tell him that, then many posters are just spinning their wheels making excuses but you all know it's a really shitty thing to do.

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Yep

I’m wondering how many people here would be licking the boots of their boss if their boss told them for months that they would relocate them to a branch closer to their family if they just help with this project for a bit. Then when the time came they get a call from another manager in a district 200 miles even further away from his family telling you your boss that made you the promises put you in for a different relocation and you have 48 hours to be there?

I wonder how many people if they experienced that or knew of a colleague that such a thing happened to at a company they were considering either staying on with or signing on with, would suddenly have reservations and might look elsewhere?

I’m guessing every single one down to a man/woman, as it’s the rational response to have. And everyone would consider breaking that promise wrong.

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Correct. It's a bunch of he said/he said bullshite at this point. If Griff said he would do his best to try to trade him out east then yep JJ misunderstood him. If Griff said he will trade him east or buy him out then yeah Griffs an a-hole.

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This, it's that simple.

Pretty wild that so many would disagree with that

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Tell him you'll try your darndest and prioritize NE teams, but if a better offer comes elsewhere, that's what you gotta do. He may not like it, he may whine, but he'd have no leg to stand on then.

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Yep, either JJ is lying(have no reason to believe that), Griff miscommunicated to JJ and his agent, or Griff broke his promises.

If it’s either of the latter that’s a problem because in either situation it created a situation of expectations that were perceived to be broken, and that perception carries with it a major risk of gaining a reputation that will make future negotiations and interactions with employees problematic. Frankly it might be even worse if it’s the miscommunication option because that means that despite so many meetings face to face between Redick and Traj/Griff, they are incapable of properly communicating and setting the right expectations for their employees.

I mean it’s hard to claim you want to run an organization built on trust and respect and a family atmosphere and then you create the conditions for this situation to happen.

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We literally don’t know for sure if Griff did indeed make promises. That’s my whole point. We’re only getting one side of this very grey area story and treating one side as absolute truth and making it a black and white issue is just asinine.

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Again, please someone point me to what past actions and history of JJ would suggest he is flat out making up a story this detailed?

This seems like classic first and third stages of grief behavior: denial and bargaining.

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We literally don’t know for sure if Griff did indeed make promises.

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Obviously, we don't.

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The truth likely lies somewhere in the middle. Griff probably didn’t communicate as effectively as he could

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If true, it's not as bad, but it's still a bad look for the organization.

Lying is bad. We get it. Most reasonable people agree that Griff shouldn’t promise things if he’s not sure he can deliver, and if that’s what happened, it is undoubtedly a misstep and something for Griff to learn from.

This is also one person’s version of the story. I don’t think JJ is a liar, but it is human nature to paint yourself in a favorable light. Things or events JJ perceived or assumed one way may not be as black and white as he stated them on his podcast.

Even Griff’s detractors respect his ability to get his own messaging out there. I think we’ll hear him diffuse this and people will forget about it before too long.

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He specifically mentions that when they realized they weren't going to get him to a team in the NE, they had "conversations" about the importance of getting him to a contender. Was JJ not a part of these conversations? Not super clear from the wording.

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I didn't listen to the JJ pod but from teh Andrew Lopez tweets, it seems JJ made it pretty clear that his version was not the same here. He was completely shocked about the trade to Dallas, so he was not under that same impression as Griff.

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Was JJ not a part of these conversations? Not super clear from the wording.

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I think the fact that the wording is vague should give us a clue that JJ wasn’t included on any conversations about moving him to a middle of the pack team even further from his family.

It’s not like we sent him to LA where griff could at least fall back on “hey we want JJ to get a ring” or some bullshite.

I don't think JJ is making anything up but is merely articulating his perceived reality of the events. It happens all the time in all facets of life where two individuals think they are on the same page but in truth leave a conversation with very different understanding.

In this case, neither is right nor wrong about the events. I do think JJ is maybe being a little heavy-handed in saying that these people aren't trustworthy but that is also in the heat of the moment, no matter how measured you are. Anger comes in many forms.

At the end of the day, this will blow over in a matter of weeks. This will not have huge lingering effects. The issues with Klutch didn't, otherwise Ball and Bledsoe would be publicly trying to get out of here as would their agents. That is not how you do business.

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He specifically mentions that when they realized they weren't going to get him to a team in the NE, they had "conversations" about the importance of getting him to a contender. Was JJ not a part of these conversations? Not super clear from the wording.

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So several notes here:

- Griff says he did communicate to JJ getting him to a situation around his family. So that confirms Redick’s account thats Grif made assurances.

- Griff also says they(NE teams) weren’t the “most aggressive in landing him” which is vague but implies they did show interest/make offers. So there was space to make good on the promise.

- Griff says he felt confident Redick would be happy about the choice he made but clearly he is not, and by Redick’s account this change in direction was not actually communicated.. Which means several things, including, Griff doesn’t read his employees well and makes decisions on their behalf not actually understanding their desires or clearing the air.

This to me sort of backs up the foundation of what Redick says and signals Griff either doesn’t communicate and set expectations well, which is a problem itself, or is bad at absorbing communications to him. Since clearly if he believed Dallas would be a desirable outcome in Redick’s eyes, he interpreted something poorly. It also kind of says Griff doesn’t judge the league well if Dallas counts as a contender lol.