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Posted on 2/17/17 at 2:31 pm to htran90
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David Fisher ?@DavidFisherTBW 29 minutes ago
Detroit, currently 27-30 and in 8th in the East.
"This isn't working let's burn it down."
New Orleans, currently 23-34 and 11th in the West. Considering buying at the trade deadline and moving future first round pick to so so.
When the Walrus makes you look bad
Posted on 2/17/17 at 2:38 pm to TigerinATL
simmons:
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Brooklyn trades Brook Lopez to New Orleans for the Artist Formerly Known as Omer Asik, Tyreke Evans’s expiring and the right to swap Boston’s 2017 first-rounder with New Orleans’s 2017 first-rounder (top-five protected).
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New Orleans trades Omer Asik and Tyreke Evans’s expiring to the Lakers for Timofey Mozgov and Nick Young.
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The Pelicans can’t trade Anthony Davis?—?he would become the best under-25 NBA player ever traded, basically. New Orleans is this decade’s runaway NBA leader for other GMs and assistant GMs muttering to third parties, “I don’t know what the hell is happening over there,” “I’m never sure who I’m supposed to call,” “It’s not that they don’t have a plan, it’s that they never even tried to have a plan” and “I feel so bad for [fill in the team’s best player].” They hit the cycle. The Pelicans make the Knicks look like Theo Epstein’s Cubs. And even THEY wouldn’t be dumb enough to trade Anthony Davis. Take him off the board until AD holds a press conference, stares into a camera and says, “I want out.”
Posted on 2/17/17 at 2:45 pm to TigerinATL
The Walrus is there to act as Van Gundy's butt puppet rather than an independent GM. SVG says burn it down, Walrus says "Here's gas and matches."
Posted on 2/17/17 at 2:54 pm to TigerinATL
Pistons are trying to dump salary on us, too. Not sure who is involved, though.
We should be in full tank mode, and that includes trading Jrue, and yet our FO is buying. It's lunacy.
ETA: The reason I think we should trade Jrue is because he'll either be waaay overpaid or he will walk. Plus, that will help us tank.
We should be in full tank mode, and that includes trading Jrue, and yet our FO is buying. It's lunacy.
ETA: The reason I think we should trade Jrue is because he'll either be waaay overpaid or he will walk. Plus, that will help us tank.
This post was edited on 2/17/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 2/17/17 at 3:01 pm to teke184
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The Walrus is there to act as Van Gundy's butt puppet
Yeah but saying SVG makes Demps look bad isn't funny.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 3:31 pm to cgrand
I don't think Simmons is wrong about it being crazy to trade Davis.
I look at it from 2 selfish perspectives:
1) I'd like to watch Davis to play meaningful spring basketball on a good team
2) I'd prefer a swift mercy kill of the AD era over watching it slowly bleed out over the next 4-5 years. God forbid he takes the $$ to stick around for contract 3 if things don't change significantly
I look at it from 2 selfish perspectives:
1) I'd like to watch Davis to play meaningful spring basketball on a good team
2) I'd prefer a swift mercy kill of the AD era over watching it slowly bleed out over the next 4-5 years. God forbid he takes the $$ to stick around for contract 3 if things don't change significantly
Posted on 2/17/17 at 3:38 pm to corndeaux
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God forbid he takes the $$ to stick around for contract 3 if things don't change significantly
I think this new CBA has some potentially severe unintended consequences. The money your franchise player could be making down the line will make them like end of career Kobe, untradeable and taking up so much cap space that it's hard to build around them.
They'd still be in prime producing years unlike end of career Kobe, but if you told me that 7 years from now AD and Cousins were still on the same team and Cousins had never been to the playoffs and AD had never made it past the 2nd round, I would not be shocked. Although to be fair, CP3 still hasn't made it past the 2nd round and he got released to a good team like you selfishly desire for AD.
This post was edited on 2/17/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 2/17/17 at 3:47 pm to TigerinATL
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Although to be fair, CP3 still hasn't made it past the 2nd round and he got released to a good team like you selfishly desire for AD.
If the Pels are a 50+ win team that is consistently snakebitten in the playoffs, that's more than a little different. That would be a very significant change
They are bad at running a basketball team. Given the reported moves for a 5 and reported desire to burn assets to have a better shot at maxing out Holiday, I have very little hope they can turn this into anything more than what we've seen already.
In other words, let's stop the foreplay and get to the fricking.
Posted on 2/17/17 at 4:56 pm to corndeaux
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2) I'd prefer a swift mercy kill of the AD era over watching it slowly bleed out over the next 4-5 years. God forbid he takes the $$ to stick around for contract 3 if things don't change significantly
It takes hitting the jackpot one more time and the Pels are a legit contender. It is stupid to just say cut him loose now.
Some teams are begging to even have the first piece the Pelicans already have on their team.
This post was edited on 2/17/17 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/18/17 at 8:21 am to Colonel Flagg
1 thing you and ATL seemed to miss-
I fully acknowledged it is crazy
1 thing you miss-
If they are trading away all of their literal lottery tickets for Okafor or 2 Magic starters or whatever, how do they hit the jackpot? Just win the lottery then hope Indiana and Chicago move Paul/Butler for #1 to then max out Holiday? #bulletproof
I've got no problem riding out this year and seeing what's available this summer. I do have a problem making weird moves now to keep a house of cards upright
Also this
:whispers: if Davis isn't willing or able to be a 5 most of the time, his value drops some. still an unbelievable player, MVP candidate, but needing a 5 on the court with him is a huge team building problem, as ATL pointed out
I fully acknowledged it is crazy
1 thing you miss-
If they are trading away all of their literal lottery tickets for Okafor or 2 Magic starters or whatever, how do they hit the jackpot? Just win the lottery then hope Indiana and Chicago move Paul/Butler for #1 to then max out Holiday? #bulletproof
I've got no problem riding out this year and seeing what's available this summer. I do have a problem making weird moves now to keep a house of cards upright
Also this
:whispers: if Davis isn't willing or able to be a 5 most of the time, his value drops some. still an unbelievable player, MVP candidate, but needing a 5 on the court with him is a huge team building problem, as ATL pointed out
Posted on 2/18/17 at 8:26 am to corndeaux
If you can buy a jimmy butler.....you buy. If you can buy a Gordon Hayward you buy. If you can get one of those cornerstone pieces, I say buy. But if you cannot.....save your bullets and draft when you can and as high as you can...with your teams need at the front of the crosshairs.
No reason to buy spam, just because the steaks are not available or unattainable.
No reason to buy spam, just because the steaks are not available or unattainable.
This post was edited on 2/18/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 2/18/17 at 8:30 am to TigerinATL
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The money your franchise player could be making down the line will make them like end of career Kobe, untradeable and taking up so much cap space that it's hard to build around them.
Kobe is a different animal. He was grandfathered into new CBA under old no max contact rules and not tied to cap %
It's why he was making $24, $25, $27, and $30M/year from 2010-2014 when the cap was ~$58M.
This post was edited on 2/18/17 at 8:31 am
Posted on 2/18/17 at 8:38 am to corndeaux
I'm on my phone is I can't look it up but I'm 90% sure one of the new rules with extending a max is being able to start at 120% of the last salary. So the new DPE gives players 35% of the cap with 8% raises 2 years earlier than previously allowed. If you extend that with a 20% jump plus the 8% raises you are into Kobe territory on your 4th contract. The numbers I ran before had salary approaching $60 million per iirc.
Posted on 2/18/17 at 9:00 am to Lilpickles
The problem with Jimmy Butler is he's not as young as you think. He's already 27. So are we going to become elite in 4ish years?
Posted on 2/18/17 at 9:31 am to hendersonshands
I agree he is older, but a second star next to AD would at least show that the pels are a serious franchise....like I mentioned if you don't get the proven star. You save and shop in the lottery for needs...
Posted on 2/18/17 at 10:53 am to Lilpickles
everyone needs to drop the hayward dream too, utah is trending up and teams who trend up aren't going to lose their star. Butler is also getting up there in age for a 'star', this is why you need to start looking at B options.
Crowder: 26
Porter: 23
Harris: 24
Middleton: 25
Gallinari: 28
Chandler: 29
Crowder: 26
Porter: 23
Harris: 24
Middleton: 25
Gallinari: 28
Chandler: 29
Posted on 2/18/17 at 11:13 am to htran90
I don't even think a couple of those guys are realistic. Zero percent chance of Porter or Middleton. Maybe one percent at Crowder if Celtics get a stud and he gets moved, but even in that case, what could we offer?
Posted on 2/18/17 at 11:20 am to Crewz
quote:Sadly, weren't we close to getting Harris last year but botched the 3 way with Pistons and Magic over Ryno demands?
I don't even think a couple of those guys are realistic. Zero percent chance of Porter or Middleton. Maybe one percent at Crowder if Celtics get a stud and he gets moved, but even in that case, what could we offer?
Posted on 2/18/17 at 11:37 am to NOSHAU
No, we could have had him. Didn't want him so Pistons just took him
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