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re: It’s time to move on from CJ and BI
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:56 am to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:56 am to Pels_Yaz
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No you dont. Ayo, caruso and Vucevic all have been good. Your making huge assumptions.
i am?
so Ayo, Caruso and Vucevic could be swapped out for JV, CJ and Herb and we'll be just as good right?
Are you just assuming Vucevic is some all-star center? b/c he's been terrible in chicago. He's a chucker that can't shoot and is a terrible defender. They are better offensively and defensively when he's off the court compared to when he's on.
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Your ignoring several variables again in regards to if Derozan would do the same here
He's been in the league for 15 frickign seasons. we know who he is, adn we know he can make shots on his own.
If you had to name another player most similar to BI, it would be Demar DeRozan. They play the same, and their stats are very similar.
I get that you have to disagree with anything i say, but you're being ridiculous if you can't see that they are similar players that would likely have similar results if swapped out, the big difference being that one of them is one of the most clutch guys in the league and the other is at the bottom of the league in being clutch.
You don't have to draw up some fancy play in the clutch. It's all one on one 90% of the time anyway.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:01 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I get that you have to disagree with anything i say,
Yeah I know you see Im the only one who disagrees with you but I’m really not. I’m probably the only one who reads your long paragraphs and responds though. There are plenty of posters here who disagree with you which we see on other threads. Your points don’t really make sense- despite you providing your opinion in long paragraphs.
Being clutch is based a lot on variance and other variables. Assuming players play exactly alike on different teams is silly. Complaining that shooting 3s isnt everything when the whole NBA tries to find shooters makes no sense. Again I appreciate your arguments but a majority of them don’t make logical sense.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I’m probably the only one who reads your long paragraphs and responds though
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our points don’t really make sense- despite you providing your opinion in long paragraphs.
it's stats. not opinions.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:11 pm to TeddyPadillac
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it's stats. not opinions.
Lol ok.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:13 pm to Chalkywhite84
CJ is too old to play mass minutes that you need in playoff games. He will run out of gas.
I don't mind seeing CJ come off the bench, that's what needs to happen or find a way to get rid of him. I will give Willie Green some credit, that he benched CJ and BI for players that was playing better, I'm talking about Jose and Trey.
Willie it's a little late to pull that move. You should have been pulled CJ in late games, you might have surpassed 50 game win mark.
I don't mind seeing CJ come off the bench, that's what needs to happen or find a way to get rid of him. I will give Willie Green some credit, that he benched CJ and BI for players that was playing better, I'm talking about Jose and Trey.
Willie it's a little late to pull that move. You should have been pulled CJ in late games, you might have surpassed 50 game win mark.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:49 pm to jonjonsmith
quote:Who are you trading CJ for that also improves the team?
I don't mind seeing CJ come off the bench, that's what needs to happen or find a way to get rid of him
quote:Funny how this is always said about CJ and not BI or Zion, but CJ was by far better in the clutch than both of them this season.
You should have been pulled CJ in late games, you might have surpassed 50 game win mark.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:38 am to shel311
CJ is a high volume guy with low output. Too slow to blow by people with what he calls "dancing" that's not dancing, that's trying to get his defender off balance because he can't get his shot off otherwise.
BI and Zion have youth on their side. CJ is basically done, no vision as a point guard and can't defend. Jose came in and showed the entire world how the point guard spot is supposed to be ran.
Someone like Tyus Jones would be great who knows how to run the point guard position and is not so much worried about being considered one of the big 3. Right now they are 2.5.
BI and Zion have youth on their side. CJ is basically done, no vision as a point guard and can't defend. Jose came in and showed the entire world how the point guard spot is supposed to be ran.
Someone like Tyus Jones would be great who knows how to run the point guard position and is not so much worried about being considered one of the big 3. Right now they are 2.5.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Heck you have to consider that chicago was in a lot of close games because Derozan just isn’t that good.
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No you dont. Ayo, caruso and Vucevic all have been good.
Where do you get this shite from? On no planet would Derozan be considered bad this year and Vecevic good. Derozan had a much better year than Vucevic who just throws up a bunch of crap shots and averages 18ppg solely because he took 16 shots pg.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:41 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Where do you get this shite from?
Im glad I didn’t scare you away from posting here anymore. It seems like you can’t stay away from us so called “shite” posters lol
Maybe you should consider yourself a part of the “shite” posters group you so can’t stand lol
By the way you took my argument with another poster out of context. I never said Derozan was bad- again reading comprehension. All those other players are good enough to be competitive together. They’re not bad players. But again reading comprehension. Always enjoy shite posting with you.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:43 pm to shel311
The hatred for CJ is so weird and non-sensical.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:47 pm to Broski
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The hatred for CJ is so weird and non-sensical.
I agree. He has easily had a great year. Sure he had a bad game but hes done everything this organization has asked for if not more. I have been extremely impressed with CJ this year.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 12:52 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Im glad I didn’t scare you away from posting here anymore. It seems like you can’t stay away from us so called “shite” posters lol
We'll you're in every single thread, so you're kind of hard to avoid.
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By the way you took my argument with another poster out of context. I never said Derozan was bad- again reading comprehension.
Ok help my reading comprehension out then. I try to be civil and chill on here and not condescending in every gotdamn post like you so this is an honest question. What did you mean here...
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Heck you have to consider that chicago was in a lot of close games because Derozan just isn’t that good.
He gave you solid stats on why Derozan was good and especially in the clutch, and you just ignored them and said you had to take that in consideration.. Something that has no backing. Meanwhile saying Vecevic was good despite there being nothing to show that he was good this year.
Again, this is just trying to have a normal conversation. But feel free to talk about my reading comprehension if you need,
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:00 pm to jonjonsmith
And who could we trade Pillsbury Dough boy for - that franchise player that seems to be hurt a majority of his young career?
Think Cuban would trade Luka for him? What if we gave him Z, BI, CI and the next 5 1st round picks we have?
Think Cuban would trade Luka for him? What if we gave him Z, BI, CI and the next 5 1st round picks we have?
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:02 pm to jonjonsmith
quote:What are you talking about? Can you point me to this low volume?
CJ is a high volume guy with low output
Is 20/4/5 low volume? This comment made no sense.
CJ was also the best 3pt shooter in the NBA this season...but low output!!!
quote:CJ: 20/4/5
BI and Zion have youth on their side
BI 21/5/6
So one of those is low output and the other is not low output?
quote:Same CJ that just averaged 20/4/5 as the best 3pt shooter in the NBA? That guy is done?
CJ is basically done
quote:5 assists per game...
no vision as a point guard
quote:CJ 5.1 assists per 36
Jose came in and showed the entire world how the point guard spot is supposed to be ran.
Jose 4.1 assists per 36
quote:Sure, if you want the Pels to become a worse team.
Someone like Tyus Jones would be great
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:03 pm to PUB
quote:No chance
Think Cuban would trade Luka for him?
quote:No chance
What is we gave him Z, BI, CI and the next 5 1st round picks we have?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 1:12 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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We'll you're in every single thread, so you're kind of hard to avoid.
Not really. Just dont reply to my posts. I can send you a tutorial if needed.
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Ok help my reading comprehension out then. I try to be civil and chill on here and not condescending in every gotdamn post like you so this is an honest question. What did you mean here...
You called me a shite poster- thats your definition of civil and chill? Lol
I said Derozan is NOT AS GOOD. Not as good does not equal bad. Read what i wrote instead of irrationally assuming. Derozan is still good but hes also playing heavy minutes as the 9th seed in the east. Sure hes great in the clutch but that doesn’t mean his style of play isn’t part of the problem of a team that is below average in a weak easten conference.
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Meanwhile saying Vecevic was good despite there being nothing to show that he was good this year.
Vucevic averages 18 and 10. Did he have a great season? No. Is he a bad player? No hes not. Hes miles better than JV. He just had 24 and 12 against the hawks last night. I stated ayo, caruso and vucevic are GOOD players. I don’t understand how you think in totality they’re bad. Vucevic is NOT a bad player. He hasn’t had a great season overall but hes NOT a bad player.
Normal conversation also requires basic understanding when reading. You think a starting center who averages 18 and 10 is automatically BAD. You think when I say a group of players are good in totality- you argue how could I think Vucevic is good. Even though hes not a bad player. Vucevic is MILES BETTER than what we have at center. You think me saying Derozan is not as good means I say hes BAD. This is what I mean by reading comprehension.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:17 pm to shel311
I haven’t been keeping up with this whole thread but do you think Jose could be the starting Pg next year, Shel? I’ve come around on CJ a bit but he’s really only as good as if his shot is falling that night. I just want to see this Pels team have a great 5. I miss prime Boogie on the Pels, dude was dropping 20 and 20 every other game
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:21 pm to spaghettioeauxs
quote:Do I think Jose can do a solid job in that role if he were made our PG? Yes, I do.
I haven’t been keeping up with this whole thread but do you think Jose could be the starting Pg next year, Shel? I’ve come around on CJ a bit but he’s really only as good as if his shot is falling that night. I just want to see this Pels team have a great 5. I miss prime Boogie on the Pels, dude was dropping 20 and 20 every other game
Do I think Jose has a chance to actually be the starting PG next season? No, I do not.
We are a team desperate for more 3pt shooting, and CJ McCollum was arguably the best 3pt shooter in the NBA this season. He's not losing any minutes or his starting spot next season nor should he, short of the low % chance of a CJ trade.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:28 pm to shel311
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Do I think Jose can do a solid job in that role if he were made our PG? Yes, I do.
Do I think Jose has a chance to actually be the starting PG next season? No, I do not.
yeah, this is sorta where I fall on this take as well... plus i believe the spark Jose provides off the bench, CJ wouldn't be able to replicate.... two different personalities and styles of play.... Jose, for as important a piece as he is to our long term success, until CJ retires or is not retained/traded, will be 1st or 2nd off the bench, but I can't see him being our starter at PG
Posted on 4/18/24 at 4:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I agree. He has easily had a great year. Sure he had a bad game but hes done everything this organization has asked for if not more. I have been extremely impressed with CJ this year.
Except like all of his career he plays awful or disappears during playoffs or crunch time. CJ may have great games in the Reg. season but when it comes to playoffs he'll shat the bed. Even when he was in Portland. We all saw it 1st hand in that series they played us
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