re: It’s time to move on from CJ and BI

B.I. should have came back during the playoff. Messed up team chemistry at a critical time.
And the one you should get rid of is the one Zion says get rid of.

Windy said that he heard BI dressed and left quickly after the game, as in he was butthurt

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The biggest issue though, even if BI is giving you an efficient 22ppg, he kills the ball movement.

The way the ball was moving those 10 or so games he was out and the number of open 3s going up, we've never seen that consistently when BI plays. That's not a coincidence.

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I love when you guys just post shite that you think you are seeing without looking for some data to back you up.

The team averaged 25.8 assists per game during the last 12 games that BI didn't play. ORtg of 115.1, NetRtg of 2.8, 34.4 3PA during this time.

They averaged 28 assists per game after christmas until BI was hurt on 3/21. That was 38 games. ORtg of 118.5, NetRtg of 7.4. 33.3 3PA during this time. And BI was averaging only 19ppg with 6 assists. and you could start to see the transformation of a more Zion centric team

They averaged 26.1 assists per game in the 31 games before christmas, when they weren't playing well. ORtg of 114.9, NetRtg of 2.6.


I"m not goign to sit here and say that BI doesn't stop the ball at times, b/c he does, but what you said just isn't true b/c we were playing our best ball of the season before he got hurt. You guys see what you want to see at times.

And i'll remind you that I would not be upset if we traded BI this offseason, as most of you think i'm his biggest fan. Him pouting on the bench last night in the 4th quarter and golf clapping really, really irritated me. I get it he's mad he's not out there, but support your guys.

It’s not even their fault to me.
With BI, there are just better fits for Zion. KAT being one of them. CJ, just rather trade him a year too early than a year too late.

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BI needs to go

McCollum needs to come off bench

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You are going to pay cj 30 mil to come off the bench?

If you trade bi I don't think cj comes off the bench.

Beyond all the midrange shite with bi us the fact that you just can't really count on him.

One game he will score 40 and be fired up. The next game he looks like he smoked a blunt while scoring 12 points. You CANNOT pay that guy 42 mil a year.

If bi gets traded cj fits even better.

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I saw a BI with a -44 in the 2 games we just played against the Lakers in 48 minutes, almost exactly half of the 2 games. In the other half of the 2 games we were +24

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so you're just going to base everything off these last two games, with a BI who isn't at 100%? Just ignore those 38 games we played great before he got hurt?

As i said, i'm ready to move on from BI, but you're simply seeing what you want to see.



Do you think we are where we are right now if BI does'nt bend his knee the wrong way 4 weeks ago?
We went 7-5 after he got hurt.
We were 23-10 in the games after christmas until he got hurt.
He was averaging 20ppg, where as he was averaging 23ppg in the 4 years before with us, but he's a ball hog and won't defer to Zion.
24.7 ppg last year to 20.7 this year, and he was averaging under 20 during that run after christmas.



If BI would simply be a good clutch player, he's exactly the guy we need on this team. That is his downfall. We want CJ and Trey taking more 3, and Zion scoring more, and BI being more of a PG and taking smarter shots, but when it comes down to the last 2 mintutes of a game, we need him to step up and close games out for us, and he hasn't. His effort defensively and rebounding was up this year, which was great to see.

You could argue if we swap DeRozan for BI, we'd be a 55 win team more than likely. Doesn't matter DeRozan doesn't shoot 3's, he was the best clutch player in the league this year.

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You could argue if we swap DeRozan for BI, we'd be a 55 win team more than likely. Doesn't matter DeRozan doesn't shoot 3's, he was the best clutch player in the league this year.

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What??! No we wouldn’t. They are barely a play-in team on the east right now. Some of your arguments man I swear.

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What??! No we wouldn’t. They are barely a play-in team on the east right now. Some of your arguments man I swear.

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my arguments?

What the hell are you argueing?
I guess we'd be a worst team if we added Wemby b/c his team finished 5th to last.
I guess Markannen is out of the question too b/c his team sucked.


You literally have no idea what i'm talking about.
Do you know who is winning the Most Clutch award this year in a runaway? On a piss poor losing team? Demar DeRozan. You ever heard of giving an award like that to someone on a losing team? That's how good he's been this year in the clutch. It's not his fault Lavine doesn't play, Vucevic is the most overrated center in the league, and #4 pick Pat Williams hasn't been good.

Most of you probably think BI and DeRozan are very similar players, and they are.
The Pels with their superior record were 14-15 in games with clutch minutes this year.
The Bulls with their shitty record were 27-17, 6th highest win% in the league. Also boasted the highest +/- in the league in the clutch.
DeRozan had the highest PPG in the clutch this year.
He had the 5th highest ORtg in the clutch this year.

Now imagine if you will, that the Pelicans, not the Bulls team, but the Pelicans team played similarly all year long swapping DeRozan for BI, since they are very similar players in how they play the game, but then at the end of those 29 games we played in the clutch, instead of only winning 14 of them, we won let's say 20 of them b/c DeRozan is that much better than BI in the clutch. Is that hard for you to see?

He's been that way his whole career.
Clutch points comes from guys who can simply make shots when it matters. You either have it or you dont', and BI has proven he isn't that guy more often than not.

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You cant just assume Derozan switching with BI would win you those games

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I am b/c they are both very similar players in how they play and their skills, and i don't think that's a far fetched assumption.

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Heck you have to consider that chicago was in a lot of close games because Derozan just isn’t that good.

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are you could consider that the rest of his team isn't worth a shite outside of Coby White.