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It’s like some of you didn’t watch the game

Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:05 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:05 am
This team wrecks other teams when the game is called normally. Last night the officials should be embarrassed by how lopsided they seemed against the Pels bigs while giving Valuncunas all kinds of calls. They called a foul on Diallo for getting elbowed in the face by Val. I guess the refs were worried he might have hurt his elbow.

Valuncunas got 9 FTs last night but averages 3.3 for the season. Cousins got 4 and is averaging 8.1 while AD got 2 compared to his average of 7.9. Oh yeah, that lopsided foul calling also put the 2 best players on the Pels in foul trouble. Cousins played 30 minutes last night and AD 34, they’re both averaging 38-39 so that’s almost 25% less AD/DC than the Raptors should have gotten.

I get why people want Gentry/Demps fired, those feelings have deep, well justified roots. But on a night when most fans would have felt they got screwed by the refs we’ve got people starting threads to fire the coach and saying our defense, which is one of the best in the league when both AD/DC are in, sucks.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 6:08 am
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9786 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:34 am to
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But on a night when most fans would have felt they got screwed by the refs we’ve got people starting threads to fire the coach and saying our defense


I was only able to catch the 2nd half, so I can't speak to the whole game. But I didn't see where the refs were calling anything unfair. The game was tight and then the Raptors went on a crazy run and were hitting all their 3's. The Pelicans went cold and you can tell they were really frustrated. The Raptors had around a 15 point lead with a few minutes left. It was actually almost a blowout. It seems cheap to just blame it on the refs..
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61508 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 6:55 am to
This is a 2 man team and the refs took those 2 men out of the game. You may have missed the first half but the Minutes and FTs being so far off their averages in both directions says a lot. It’d be different if they had just been calling it tight or loose, but either the officials were off or the Raptors found the right angles to use against the Pels.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
48940 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:02 am to
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I didn't see where the refs were calling anything unfair.





It was terrible. Our guys would get mugged going to the rim, and if the whistle blew, it would be an offensive foul

Hell, Cousins was called for a charge a couple times for driving and having the defender trip on his own feet
Posted by DBeaux225
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:22 am to
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But I didn't see where the refs were calling anything unfair. 


Well it hurt us that AD and DC had 3 fouls apiece in the 1st half off mostly bullshite calls.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:23 am to
i missed most of the 1st 2 quarters then watched until the end of the 3rd when the game looked over. so i have no idea what happened early.

i did see where Valanciunas got about 3 fouls in a minute. those seemed like make-up calls.


to me, the defense has seemed leaky for some time. the Raptors exploited that some and they also hit some tough shots too. some of the threes where blown assignments, some were just good makes.

the Raptors are a good team even in the east. they've been a 50 win team for 4 years now. they have good players. they are never winning a title, but that doesnt mean they can't play. sucks the Pels lost and they need to play better, but firing a coach, who has the team winning more than they have in 3 years after yet another summer of roster and scheme turnover, over a loss to a good team is dumb.

who is coming on board mid-season and what do people think will realistically happen? plenty of pels fans were clamoring for Fred Hoiberg 3 years ago.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:46 am to
I said it last night, the refs swallowed the refs for our big but they didn't get the benefit on the other end. Ridiculous.
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7119 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:47 am to
The Raptors did make a lot of contested shots last night. We needed E'twaun and/or Darius to be hot last night, and they weren't. And AD and Boogie were definitely getting mugged last night. We sit in the lower bowl corner so had a good view at one end of the court, and it was very obvious. I thought we were supposed to get the calls at home.

ETA: I do wish Boogie would - just once - jump to block an outside shot. Sooooo many times he's right in front of the shooter and just puts his hand up. Feet never leave the ground.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 7:51 am
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63529 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:49 am to
I was at the game, and thought the same thing. Horrible officiating.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63529 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 7:50 am to
The really shitty calls started at exactly the wrong time
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9786 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:26 am to
Like I said, I watched most of the 2nd half. Both Cousins and Davis were playing almost the whole time. Both Toronto bigs were in foul trouble as well and they played their back ups a lot. The Raptors have a big physical front court and there is going to be a lot of contact playing them. The total foul calls were virtually the same (them 20, us 21). I just think its a cop out.

The worst part is everybody is going to do this to us from here on out. Send out their bigs to rough up ours. Cousins and Davis have to rise above this and find a way to live with it. Its a simple strategy and both guys are way too temperamental and hate contact. Luckily most teams don't have the size to do this every game..
Posted by jptiger2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2009
9616 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:30 am to
there was a moment late in the 3rd (I think) where the officials seemed to have wanted to call a bunch of fouls on Toronto to even the playing field. Some bullshite calls and I thought that it was obvious what they were doing.
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
16216 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:38 am to
I watched the game and yes, I agree the officials were bad, but there were bad calls on both sides. Maybe one can argue that this hurt the Pels more, but it definitely went both ways. Officiating didn't lose the game for the Pels, poor help side defense with allowing open lanes to the goal and allowing wide open 3's all night long lost the game. Pels defense was terrible last night. How many easy layups and uncontested 3's did the Raptors make last night?
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8184 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:40 am to
Hahah he has the team winning more than the previous three years only bc we’ve sucked during the rest of his tenure. So keep him bc he’s slightly less sucky than he has been?

And again this is fool’s gold. We’re super lucky to be 8-7 against one of the easiest schedules in the nba. We could easily be 4-11. Gentry sucks as a coach it’s obvious from both his time here and previous stops. Idk who you get in midseason, but the earlier you cut out the Uncle Al cancer the better
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:51 am to
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I do wish Boogie would - just once - jump to block an outside shot. Sooooo many times he's right in front of the shooter and just puts his hand up. Feet never leave the ground


He doesn't jump because that not how you close out on a shooter especially in the NBA. As soon as he leaves his feet, the shooter will just throw his body into him getting Boogie in easy foul trouble.
Posted by DBeaux225
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
9498 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:08 am to
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Like I said, I watched most of the 2nd half. Both Cousins and Davis were playing almost the whole time. Both Toronto bigs were in foul trouble as well and they played their back ups a lot. The Raptors have a big physical front court and there is going to be a lot of contact playing them. The total foul calls were virtually the same (them 20, us 21). I just think its a cop out. 


Its not a cop out. Our bigs were in foul trouble late in the first quarter becsuse of bs calls and they couldn't be aggressive on the defensive end the whole game because of the way the gane was called against them.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
40926 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:14 am to
I watched some of the game. The refs were not great. But blaming the refs for a loss is something losing teams and losing franchises do. Shouldn’t ever be an excuse.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61508 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:20 am to
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Pels defense was terrible last night.


The Pels defense has been terrible all year when both AD/DC aren't on the court at the same time. It's a top 5 defense when they are both on the court together. Hill is the team's best perimeter defender, Jrue was the 2nd best and the rest are guys that are slightly below average at best. The defense is bad because the personnel is lacking with Hill out. I also think they've been focusing on offense in practice based on the things they talk about to the media. Transition defense is about the only kind of defense you hear mentioned much in post game/practice pressers.

Monty talked about defense all the time and outside of the last CP3 year when they had CP3/Ariza/Okafor sparking a top 10 defense, Monty's teams were usually bottom 3rd of the league. I'm not saying I wouldn't upgrade Gentry if I could, but I think a lot of people think changing coaches can fix things that only roster changes can fix. The early returns on Rondo look pretty promising and I'd argue Rondo might make more of a "coaching" difference in how this team plays than any coach you could bring in that wasn't Pop.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24835 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:24 am to
Like I said in the in game thread:

This wasn’t an off night. This was the refs neutralizing our inside game by getting AD/DC into foul trouble while the Raptors got away with rape.

When AD has 3 fouls in a game, much less the first half, you have to ask what is going on. Compound that with Boogie, who is more foul prone, with 3 in the same half, and we are fricked.

This looked like that SA playoff game when CP3, West, and TC all had 2 fouls in the first 3 minutes if the game.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61508 posts
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:28 am to
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blaming the refs for a loss is something losing teams and losing franchises do. Shouldn’t ever be an excuse.


It's not an excuse, it's a fact that this team is built in a manner where it's dependent on both AD/DC to function at a non terrible level. Maybe Rondo and Hill can change that by fixing the perimeter defense and turnovers on offense, but for now the officials can pretty much shut this team down anytime they choose.
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