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re: Is there anyone left who thinks BI is worth his next contract?
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:08 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:08 pm to Soggymoss
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Pistons would absolutely do it because they don’t want anymore young talent, they are desperate to try to win.
Well they just traded Bogdanovic/ Burks for Quentin Grimes and Fontecchio so I don't believe you. And kept all their young players.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 5:09 pm
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Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:11 pm to Balsamic_duck
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I would honestly rather pay Herb 50m/yr than BI. Herb contributes far more to winning than the empty stats that BI puts up
I don't put much value in BI...Zion is obviously very talented offensively but I've been here 2 1/2 years & have not seen him play in ONE meaningful game in that time. By meaningful game, I mean, like a playoff game...where a team actually puts out their best effort to stop him on the defensive end. Frankly, I doubt Zion, with his VERY limited game...would be very effective against a decent motivated defense. Guess I'll find out...one of these days.
Key thing to me is...Pels need AT LEAST two...2-way players... who are heavy on D and average to above-average on offense. By now, hopefully folks have figured out that Herb is gonna be ONE of those types...and imo...Dyson is the ONLY player we have on our current roster, who could eventually become the 2nd one. I'm tired of hearing what BI & Zion MIGHT become...if they would only just learn to...well, however many shortcomings you wanna list for each of them.
I'll be concentrating on Dyson. I'm NOT saying he's gonna explode like Herb has...but I firmly believe he'll be a key player for the Pels...in the near future.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I wouldn't normally fact check you ATL, but you're going to have to tell me where you got these numbers, and/or what they actually mean.
I'm happy to be fact checked, especially when the numbers didn't match my eye test. I got them from NBA.com last week LINK but I must have transposed a number for BI, because here's what I pulled today.
Jones, Herbert 111 111 0
McCollum, CJ 112.6 109.7 -2.9
Williamson, Zion 112.3 108.5 -3.8
Ingram, Brandon 112.9 108.7 -4.2
Valanciunas, Jonas 114.1 107.2 -6.9
I can see the other numbers changing as much as they did after 3 games, but not BI's, so like I said, my mistake, I'll edit the other post. Him being closer to Zion and not the biggest liability on the team fits the eye test better..
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:18 pm to ghost2most
Here’s the thing with BI and his next contract :
We don’t know what it will be . Everyone keeps saying he won’t be worth his next contract , and maybe he won’t but no one knows what that number is going to be . Maybe he will.
To me the situation with BI and Zion is less contract and more about the fact that both want to play in the same space . Zion from 15 ft in and Bi from 15-20ft. Zion hampers him just as he hampers Zion. Add Jonas to the mix and it’s like Baton Rouge at rush hour .
We don’t know what it will be . Everyone keeps saying he won’t be worth his next contract , and maybe he won’t but no one knows what that number is going to be . Maybe he will.
To me the situation with BI and Zion is less contract and more about the fact that both want to play in the same space . Zion from 15 ft in and Bi from 15-20ft. Zion hampers him just as he hampers Zion. Add Jonas to the mix and it’s like Baton Rouge at rush hour .
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:21 pm to Dantheman504
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Especially not getting a starting center back and having only Larry.
Dude, their starting center would be Mobley which is exactly what they want. What do you not understand about that? Mobley is the only reason Allen is/would be available, and they’re not going to find a better deal than a top 5 pick for him.
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Well they just traded Bogdanovic/ Burks
Neither one of those guys does anything for that team to move the needle, that’s why they were traded.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 5:43 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I agree with most of what you’re saying. Especially about Dyson being a major factor if he can contribute positively on both sides like Herb. But I disagree with you that teams will try harder in the playoffs and that will negate Zion. He’s unguardable. That’s why you see teams sending doubles and building walls. We saw Zion making the right plays last night, driving and kicking to a wide open Nance in the corner and him bricking the shite out of it. He did miss a wide open JV at one point that killed the possession, but it’s really just about who is around Zion and the team embracing that Zion is the #1 guy. I’m ok with BI running the offense with Zion out but when Zion is on the floor the game should be run through Zion. Willie had a god awful ATO at the end of the game yesterday resulting in a BI fall away middie. Coaching malpractice
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:02 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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I agree with most of what you’re saying. Especially about Dyson being a major factor if he can contribute positively on both sides like Herb. But I disagree with you that teams will try harder in the playoffs and that will negate Zion. He’s unguardable. That’s why you see teams sending doubles and building walls.
I just think that good teams save their best defensive "plans" and efforts for the playoffs...and usually do a much better job of neutralizing a "one trick pony" come playoff time. I mean...who really wants to stand in front of Zion or the Greek Freek or LeBron in a regular season game ?? If you think they "build a wall" for Zion in regular season...just wait until the playoffs.
I hope you're right that he'll start (& keep) kicking it back out....for easy C&S 3s. If he does...it'll eventually reach a point where Zion actually has room to operate on the inside. As to BI...well, I've pretty much given up on him shooting anything but midrangers...when push comes to shove. Ohh...and at least a half-azz effort on the defensive end wouldn't hurt for either of them...especially Zion.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:13 pm to ghost2most
quote:We've come a looooong way from when the hate posts would come out in droves in this discussion... all the way to now it's a given from what feels like 90% of the board agrees with.
Is there anyone left who thinks BI is worth his next contract?
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:25 pm to shel311
Had a guy ask me the other day..."If one of the top 6 playoff contenders could have their choice to add ANY player on the Pels roster to their own starting lineup...who would they choose?"
I'm still thinking.
I'm still thinking.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:40 pm to shel311
I just wish BI would study the way Mikal Bridges plays the game and try to replicate it. BI has a very good dribble. If he was primarily a C&S guy and used his dribble when he has space to get to rim, he could be elite in that role. I know he doesn’t play like that and it’s wishful thinking but he would fit much better on our roster if he played like that. And maybe he can’t cause our team doesn’t have a true PG, I don’t know. I still hope it works out with BI, he’s never bitched and has always said he wants to be a Pelican which is actually worth something when you consider we’ve had bums like Eric Gordon and AD come through here and couldn’t wait to get out
Posted on 2/26/24 at 6:55 pm to Dinky Mulberry
That answer is easily Herb, because all those teams already have their top guys.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:26 pm to TigerinATL
While our numbers are similar, why aren’t they the same?
You’re pulling from nba.com and I’m pulling from basketballreference.
There’s got to be something different about the metric they are measuring.
You’re pulling from nba.com and I’m pulling from basketballreference.
There’s got to be something different about the metric they are measuring.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:39 pm to spaghettioeauxs
quote:He has all of the physical gifts and tools with his craft to be every bit worth his next contract at a 30% max. He just doesn't use it to max out his output.
just wish BI would study the way Mikal Bridges plays the game and try to replicate it.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 7:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I've always heads they're calculated differently which never made sense since the calculation seems very straight forward. I guess I never cared to look it up myself though.
While our numbers are similar, why aren’t they the same?
You’re pulling from nba.com and I’m pulling from basketballreference.
There’s got to be something different about the metric they are measuring.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 10:02 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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I'll be concentrating on Dyson. I'm NOT saying he's gonna explode like Herb has...but I firmly believe he'll be a key player for the Pels...in the near future.
I completely agree. I’m still very high on Dyson. I think is ceiling can still be higher than Herbs. The team needs to concentrate all its efforts into developing Dyson and getting Trey back to his trajectory. It’s our only hope along with Zion staying healthy. Just take the best package for BI and move on.
It woujd be a homerun to get Bridges off the Nets. If he’s available, I’d use BI to get whatever we needed to help get him. Charlotte may have some interest. He’d probably love to re-sign there.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 10:03 pm
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