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Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:33 pm to whatiknowsofar
Trey was in the dunk contest and has insane leaping ability. You think Hawkins is a better finisher than Trey? Trey actively draws fouls when he drives to the rim, Hawkins isnt as good with that. And again you have to play both sides of the ball and Hawkins is a poor defender. Trey can get blocks and size wise can switch on any guy. Trey is in his third year and also coming off an injury- I wouldn’t necessarily say hes a seasoned vet.
Again let me clear- RIGHT NOW- Trey is the better NBA player. Most NBA teams would choose Trey over Hawkins right now because of the things other than shooting Trey brings.
Again let me clear- RIGHT NOW- Trey is the better NBA player. Most NBA teams would choose Trey over Hawkins right now because of the things other than shooting Trey brings.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:36 pm to Pels_Yaz
They definitely need to be shooting more. Looking at basic team stats and Pels are one of the best 3pt shooting teams in the league but shoot the fewest of everyone outside of shite Detroit and Lakers.
Is Willie underperforming with this team? Also basic analysis shows we’re one of the best teams in the league against above .500 teams so we should definitely be higher than 5th in conf.
Is Willie underperforming with this team? Also basic analysis shows we’re one of the best teams in the league against above .500 teams so we should definitely be higher than 5th in conf.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
Let’s be honest Trey’s dribble is goofy af. Yes he can shoot it from anywher! He can jump out the gym. And he’s really tall. But Hawkins is smooth as silk with the ball in his hands. Give me hawk all day.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:43 pm to ScoopAndScore
The funny thing is even though Hawk’s a rookie, I feel like Trey could learn from him about looking for/creating his own shot.
I do like both players, and I’d love to see both of them in our starting lineup at some point down the road. That would be some serious spacing.
I do like both players, and I’d love to see both of them in our starting lineup at some point down the road. That would be some serious spacing.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:46 pm to PTinBR
Another point in Hawk's favor is that his off ball movement is better.
Trey has a problem at times of not moving until the ball is thrown to him.
Trey has a problem at times of not moving until the ball is thrown to him.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:48 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Im not disagreeing on this point but don’t you think its crazy that we have to tell a NBA player (young or not) that he has to do that? Wasn’t his pops a player too?
No, Dyson got drafted in a unique position of being drafted to a team that wasn't in a rebuild. He doesn't have the luxury of being able to play through his growing pains like someone like Josh Giddy was able to do with the thunder.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:48 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Trey was in the dunk contest and has insane leaping ability. You think Hawkins is a better finisher than Trey? Trey actively draws fouls when he drives to the rim, Hawkins isnt as good with that.
When hawk was the starter in the Dallas game he got 8 ft attempts.
I'd argue Trey is horrible at getting to the line based on his size. He averages 2.6 fts per game. Hawk is at 1.8. He is a better finisher than Hawk but Trey doesn't attack the rim nearly enough to say it's a plus skill.
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and Hawkins is a poor defender.
Yep. Trey Murphy isn't a great defender either.
Now look at their total offensive game. Everything from handling to shot selection to distribution to finishing, and you'll realize Trey doesn't have half the bag hawk does. He can bomb threes all day off a catch and shoot and doesn't try to do much else.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:49 pm to PTinBR
What a time to be alive when Pels Talk is able to argue over who’s better of two ELITE shooters.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:51 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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He doesn't have the luxury of being able to play through his growing pains like someone like Josh Giddy was able to do with the thunder.
Thats not a fair comparison. Giddey knew who he was right away regardless of the team he was drafted to, Giddey averaged 12 points, 8 rebounds and 6 assists. Dyson by now should know who he is offensively and its a concern he doesn’t.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:54 pm to lionward2014
Hawk shooting 51% from 3 in January! Crazy.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:59 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Yep. Trey Murphy isn't a great defender either.
There is a massive difference in their defense. Hawkins could easily be the pelicans worst defender and I still think he should play because he can shoot lights out. That doesn’t negate his bad defense.
Trey has hardly played any games and is on a minute restriction this season coming off an injury. Hes been attacking the rim a lot more this season. Similarly, hes also still developing. Trey attacks the rim enough that its becoming a plus skill- to me thats the major difference in his game Ive seen this season.
When it comes to shooting between the two, we’re arguing apples and oranges. Trey is a catch and shoot shooter who can shoot from deep- great skill in todays nba. Hawkins is a great movement shooter- also a great skill. But arguing which one is better- I mean both are deadly.
I think what we should really argue what other team has 2 young shooters better than the pelicans?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:05 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Trey is a catch and shoot shooter who can shoot from deep- great skill in todays nba. Hawkins is a great movement shooter- also a great skill. But arguing which one is better- I mean both are deadly.
No, it isn't difficult to argue which one is better. Being a great movement 3pt shooter is far far more valuable than being a good catch and shoot guy. And btw, Hawkins has better catch and shoot numbers this year.
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Trey has hardly played any games
Miss me with that if you're going to use that in a Hawkins debate
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:11 pm to Broski
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My worry is that that's just who Dyson's personality is. Like the fact that you are 6'7 and actively avoid dunking is weird and worrisome.
why he didn’t dunk that put back is beyond me. dunk the f’ing ball dyson.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Being a great movement 3pt shooter is far far more valuable than being a good catch and shoot guy. And btw, Hawkins has better catch and shoot numbers this year.
You do realize Trey is coming off an injury and was on a minutes restriction?
There are going to be games where teams will abuse Hawkins on defense- that in a certain game it might be difficult to play him. Trey’s defense isn’t Herb-like but he won’t ever get to the point where you have to sit him because his defense is that bad. There have been games this season where teams repeatedly went at Hawkins because he had poor defense. I feel like you’re completely ignoring that?
Again I stated in my first post Hawkins may be a better shooter but hes not the better NBA player. You can’t completely ignore his defensive issues and be like oh Trey is just taller. Trey again is a much better defender than Hawkin.
I hate arguing this because I love them both. And honestly dumb that we’re arguing on this to begin with. Thd beauty is how well they compliment each other.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Thats not a fair comparison. Giddey knew who he was right away regardless of the team he was drafted to, Giddey averaged 12 points, 8 rebounds and 6 assists. Dyson by now should know who he is offensively and its a concern he doesn’t.
Do you understand the point I'm making? Giddey put up those stats on a bad Thunder team not trying to win as the 2nd option so he was able to grow his offensive game. Dyson hasn't had that opportunity.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:19 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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Do you understand the point I'm making? Giddey put up those stats on a bad Thunder team not trying to win as the 2nd option so he was able to grow his offensive game. Dyson hasn't had that opportunity.
Yes I understand your point. Giddey was doing this in australia dude- he didn’t all of a sudden develop these things on a bad thunder team. Before he was drafted people knew offensively he was a great passer, solid rebounder and could score inside. There was a reason Thunder picked him that high.
Now tell me what was Dyson offensively good at before he got drafted? Dyson was literally drafted because of his defense. He really had no offensive skillset.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:57 pm to whatiknowsofar
Hawkins is a rare breed. Movement shooters like him don't grow on trees. They definitely don't have this advanced spatial awareness as a rookie. But what makes him impressive is the insane confidence as a rookie. Rookie shooters generally come into the league overwhelmed but nothing phases this kid. He can miss 10 straight and it won't affect the way he plays. A true short memory gunner. What makes it tie it all together is his IQ. His reads and timing is incredible. He just knows how to find an opening, a crease, or an angle to get a shot opportunity. Combine it with his quick release and picture perfect form, he can get his shot off at any angle.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:50 am to supe12sta12z
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But what makes him impressive is the insane confidence as a rookie.
This is what I've loved about him from the second he stepped on the floor for us. He acts like he belongs and didn't open the season by deferring to the vets while getting a nice jog up and down the court.
I also think Willie, Griff, Trajan or whoever ultimately made the decision to give him a break in November/December plus some G-League time handled his development really well.
I know everyone was mad that he wasn't getting playing time during that stretch, but you could tell right before it that he was starting to press a little bit. It's easy to say that he would've been producing like he is now in Nov/Dec and, even with what I said above, he is still a rookie and I think we did a good job in allowing him to reset a bit after he cooled off from his hot start. He has been on a different level since coming back into the fold.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 12:51 am
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:49 am to PTinBR
Shooter? I think he’s better on the move, so I guess I’ll say yea. I think they are both in the same tier shooting though
The rest of the stuff in this thread is just bat shite insane
Hawk is great but saying he’s better than Trey right now is just criminal
The rest of the stuff in this thread is just bat shite insane
Hawk is great but saying he’s better than Trey right now is just criminal
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