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re: Is Hawkins a better shooter than Trey right now?
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:45 am to 50_Tiger
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:45 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Rookie Curry, 74% of his 3s were assisted. That's a looooooong ways from 100%.
I said Early Curry, not Prime Curry.
Also, 30% of rookie Curry's 2s were assisted. Hawkins is at 75%.
There's no comparison.
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:46 am to ghost2most
quote:Handle, range, passing, defense, the ability to get a bucket on his own, and I'm sure a few more...
The biggest difference between Hawkins and Curry is handle and range.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:46 am to shel311
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What is going on right now?
It started last night when Hawk became a better player than Trey. This morning its evolved into Hawk is Curry. By the afternoon Hawk will turn into Jordan.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:53 am to Pels_Yaz
Get on board
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:02 am to GOP_Tiger
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It's just episode #543 of people failing to understand the importance of defense. It happens almost every day on this board.
Funny how the top 4 NBA teams, imo...the Celtics, Bucks, Clippers and Nuggets all seem to have at least a couple of VERY good, imo elite... defensive players that play at crunch time. Serious contenders KNOW the importance of defense. This is why the Pels will do everything possible...to help Dyson become a full-time player.
Point in case...I'm interested to see which serious contender picks up the "unplayable" Matisse Thybulle from the Blazers here in the next few days. FWIW: Herb can play circles around Thybulle on the offensive end...and yet...I fully expect Thybulle to be picked up. Maybe I'm wrong...and he truly is "unplayable"...we'll see.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:10 am to PTinBR
Man you guys are crazy.
1st off, why do we even have to compare them? We have both, they’re both awesome and play well together.
2nd off, the last two months of the season last year, Trey basically averaged 18 ppg on 49/42/89 splits while barely ever turning the ball over and playing good defense. Trey is having a mediocre year by our standards and is shooting 39% from 3.
But again, theyre both incredible, and I hope they both stay with the Pels forever
1st off, why do we even have to compare them? We have both, they’re both awesome and play well together.
2nd off, the last two months of the season last year, Trey basically averaged 18 ppg on 49/42/89 splits while barely ever turning the ball over and playing good defense. Trey is having a mediocre year by our standards and is shooting 39% from 3.
But again, theyre both incredible, and I hope they both stay with the Pels forever
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:11 am to shel311
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I don't recall that, what games would that have been?
His last three games before he got one minute of action against Minnesota, he was 5-17 from the field and 3-10 from 3.
After the Minny game, he got 19 minutes against Wash and went 1-7 (0-2 3pt).
He was clearly hitting a rookie wall after a hot start.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:14 am to Broski
quote:Gotcha
His last three games before he got one minute of action against Minnesota, he was 5-17 from the field and 3-10 from 3.
After the Minny game, he got 19 minutes against Wash and went 1-7 (0-2 3pt).
He was clearly hitting a rookie wall after a hot start.
I honestly attributed that less so to hitting a wall and more so to him being mostly out of the rotation by that point already. After the IST, he went the next 9 games picking up 3 DNPs and averaging 9 mpg in the other 6 games.
I guess my point is, he lost his spot in the rotation seemingly before he hit the wall, and his hitting the wall coincided with the reduction in role. So was it hitting the wall, or was it just not getting consistent minutes. I ask as before that and now we see after that, he seems perfectly fine when he has a defined role and getting consistent minutes and a spot in the rotation.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 10:20 am
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:21 am to shel311
But even with his role reduced once the Naji Jose calvary returned, he was still getting roughly 19-27 minutes per until that Minnesota game on Dec. 11.
After the Lakers IST loss, he was anchored to the bench and Birmingham until last week.
After the Lakers IST loss, he was anchored to the bench and Birmingham until last week.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:21 am to PTinBR
Overall player? No. Not really sure where the "he has more in his bag than Trey" is coming from. Trey has been putting the ball on the ground and driving to the lane and finishing/drawing fouls really well (even with the limited playing time/still getting ramped up from injury). He obviously isn't the defender Trey is.
It's kind of unbelievable that we're already having this debate, even if you were only talking about his 3 point shot. Crazy.
It's kind of unbelievable that we're already having this debate, even if you were only talking about his 3 point shot. Crazy.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:23 am to Broski
quote:I see
But even with his role reduced once the Naji Jose calvary returned, he was still getting roughly 19-27 minutes per until that Minnesota game on Dec. 11.
After the Lakers IST loss, he was anchored to the bench and Birmingham until last week.
I think we just slightly view it differently.
I view his role being changed at the Sacto game. Sure he got 12 minutes against the Lakers, but that was garbage time.
At any rate, all good. Not a terribly important thing to nitpick.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:25 am to iwyLSUiwy
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driving to the lane and finishing/drawing fouls really well
Think it was pointed out in this thread that Hawkins is drawing more fouls per game this season than Trey.
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He obviously isn't the defender Trey is.
I mean he's not, but that's only because Trey is longer than him. They are both subpar defenders that get lost on their rotations way too easily.
Murphy is the better player, but it's a little bit closer than some are making it out to be.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:25 am to iwyLSUiwy
His 3 point shot has the chance to be tops in the league. I'm more curious how the other parts of his game develops. He looks fantastic with movement and catch and shoot and is showing shot creating abilities. Will he become a great facilitator and average defender at any point? Will be fun to watch. Having him and Trey is going to make Zion hit another level.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:28 am to Broski
quote:Wondering if someone can elaborate on that.
Think it was pointed out in this thread that Hawkins is drawing more fouls per game this season than Trey.
Only thing I can find is Hawkins has drawn 21 shooting fouls to Trey's 20. But Trey shoots more FTs per 100 possessions, which tells me Trey probably draws more non shooting fouls when we're in the bonus.
Either way though, it was a bit surprising even to see that Hawkins draws more shooting fouls than Trey.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:31 am to shel311
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Hawkins draws more shooting fouls than Trey.
Maybe that's what was mentioned in this thread.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:43 am to shel311
Murphy has only played 18 games.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 10:56 am to Solo
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Current state of affairs on Pels talk: 1. Trade BI 2. Cut CJ’s minutes for Dyson 3. Hawkins is better than Curry
4. Fire Willie Green
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:00 am to ned nederlander
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Cut CJ’s minutes for Dyson
Wait… are people really advocating for this???
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:18 am to Broski
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Cut CJ’s minutes for Dyson
Wait… are people really advocating for this???
I luv Dyson but CJ might well be our best player...so far this year.
And for any 2-player comparison (Trey/Hawkins)...I can almost always figure it out fairly quickly by going to: basketball-reference.com and doing a bit of digging. Give me Trey over Hawkins every day...and twice on Sundays.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:18 am to shel311
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Rookie Curry, 74% of his 3s were assisted. That's a looooooong ways from 100%.
So 3 out of 4 for Curry and 4 out of 4 for Hawk. A difference of one shot. Not that really far away.
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Also, 30% of rookie Curry's 2s were assisted. Hawkins is at 75%.
You got me here. However, I did say Hawk's next level is better handles and finishing at the rim. He does have a nice self made Middy.
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 11:29 am
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