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Impact of Quickley’s Extension 5/$175M

Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:28 am
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10117 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:28 am
Quickley just signed a 5 year $175M extension. That’s a wild number for him. Wonder how much this impacts negotiations with Trey on his extension?
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
4356 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:30 am to
I think this is a little different cuz Quickly was a RFA so Toronto was probably bidding against Detroit, Orlando and other cap space teams.

No one can offer Trey this offseason but us. That’s why we need to get him locked up now.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
7700 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:31 am to
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31946 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:37 am to
How you build a contender is extending trey early at a lower cost than his production.

You hope you pay him that 30mil now and he shoots up to a 20/6/3 player who deserves 40mil max money.

Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13490 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 9:51 am to
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Quickley just signed a 5 year $175M extension. That’s a wild number for him. Wonder how much this impacts negotiations with Trey on his extension?
That is a ridiculous extension for Quickley. They must be projecting him as the next Brunson.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:05 am to
How does Trey compare to Tobias Harris? And when I say Tobias, I mean Tobias from 5-8 years ago, not the one you see today.

Trey is obviously a much better 3 point threat than Tobias, even though he was a 38% 3 point shooter during his prime. Tobias only averaged 20ppg one season. He was typically around 18 as the 3rd guy, which is pretty much exactly what you want.
I think Tobias was a better one on one player and better at getting his own shot, and I think he's a better defender although I think Trey is getting better and better defensively.

Tobias put up 18/6/3 most seasons, and I think that's a reasonable number for Trey. I don't see Trey averaging 20+, and he shouldn't b/c he shouldn't be our #2, and i don't think he's capable of being a #2 b/c he's not someone who can get his own shot. He's goign to be a really good #3 though, and he should get paid. It was stupid to give Tobias a max contract like he got, but he was still a really good player that deserved a nice contract, just not a max one. Trey is in a similar boat i think.


Trey's max would be 5/$223. That's a starting salary of $39M.
Could also look at 5/$210, which would also start at $39M and have 4% increases instead of 8%.
I think it woudl be ridiculous to give him either of those max options.


90% of max with 8% raises would be 5/$195, starting salary of $35M.

I think that is the top end of what he might get, and i think something in the 5/$155 to 5/$175 with a player option in the last year is probably more in line with what he should get.
I do'nt have a problem with Trey making $30M in his first year.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73964 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:15 am to


Quickly facilitates and gets his own shot, but this still ups Murphy’s asking price I reckon
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12938 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:16 am to
Trey is doing it coming off the bench and is playing the role he's asked. Hard to say what he can/will do once BI is out of the picture.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Hard to say what he can/will do once BI is out of the picture.



Trey Murphy III averaged 16.3 points, 6.9 rebounds and 2.7 assists on 35.5% shooting from 3 in 14 games without Brandon Ingram this season.

Trey Murphy III averaged 14.3 points, 4.3 rebounds and 2.0 assists on 38.9% shooting from 3 in 43 games with Brandon Ingram this season.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12938 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:26 am to
That doesn't matter since the offense is still BI/Z Eccentric going into the season and doesn't change on the fly especially when BI is onky out dor a short period. Going into a new season without BI, they will obviously tailor that offense to give him more opportunities. Give Trey an average of 4 more shots a game and his numbers will jump.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103149 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:27 am to
How much will his numbers improve if they obtain an actual point or center which meshes with the team rather than having about 30% of the cap missing the game due to injury?

I bet the jump in production is greater than 2 points, 3 rebounds, and an assist per game
Posted by RawDog7984
Member since Oct 2019
2208 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:28 am to
Reading this made my brain hurt. Comparing Trey to Tobias Harris but not the Tobias Harris now but the Tobias of 6 years ago is so off the wall. Less coffee my friend.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10117 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:42 am to
quote:

Quickly facilitates and gets his own shot, but this still ups Murphy’s asking price I reckon


IQ has the playmaking, but Trey has the length, is a better defender, and is more impactful. They are on the same plane of value and I think before this extension most here would have said Trey is the more valuable player.

Starting to feel like Trey's extension is going to cost at least $30M AAV.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Reading this made my brain hurt. Comparing Trey to Tobias Harris but not the Tobias Harris now but the Tobias of 6 years ago is so off the wall. Less coffee my friend.




B/c Tobias Harris WAS a good player, and a similar player to Trey. He obviously isn't anymore as an old man.


I'm not advocating Trey shouldn't get paid, or he won't be better without BI, so y'all can quit acting like i'm trying to make Trey look bad.
My ideal lineup would be Murray/Herb/Trey/Zion/whatever 5, and to be quite honest, if we could bring in Tobias Harris to be the backup 4 (at a reasonable number), or Harrison Barnes, and he close games for us instead of the traditional 5 is my ideal lineup. Tari Eason would be a good young candidate for that role as well.
Murray/Herb/Trey/Zion and another 6'9"ish wing that can defend and shoot the 3 is what I want.
Jonathon Isaac woudl be the ideal closing 5, as he can hit 3's, and defend the perimeter and the rim. He's a similar player to Horford.


We aren't winning shite with a traditional 5 in our closing lineup. When Zion realizes he can hold his own against the big 5's in the league and create a massive mismatch offensively b/c of it, that's when we'll be a true contender. We'll still need the traditional 5, but our closing lineup needs to look more like Zion with 4 long wings that can shoot and defend, with one of them being someone who can create his own shot.
A lineup of Murray/Herb/BI/Trey/Zion would be ideal, if they let Murray be a PG and he goes out there looking to lead the league in assists.
Posted by TechTiger
Running an easy 10
Member since Feb 2007
1455 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 11:24 am to
quote:

Jonathon Isaac woudl be the ideal closing 5, as he can hit 3's, and defend the perimeter and the rim


I’d be down with a way to bring in Murray, Isaacs, and Wendell Carter.

Send out BI and Nance then make it happen.
Posted by RawDog7984
Member since Oct 2019
2208 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 11:49 am to
How you getting Murray and keeping BI? Just a lot going on in your situations here. Lol
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73964 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 12:09 pm to
I think we know what M3 is capable of of by now given the amount of time Ingram and Zion has missed. Quickley can play with the ball in his hands and creates his own looks. Murphy has had the opportunity to show that. I guess he still can but he’s 200 G into his career
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29817 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:32 pm to
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How you getting Murray and keeping BI? Just a lot going on in your situations here. Lol



I'd bet we could send Dyson or Hawkins and a 1st and get Murray, or 2 firsts i don't give a shite about them.
Send CJ to Philly or Orlando for picks and the cap space, whichever one of them doesn't get Klay.


But Griff isn't trading CJ, even though right now is the time to do it, especially if you believe the core is Herb/Trey/Zion going forward, which it should be, and we should be looking for that backcourt creator to join them.
If Herb and Trey need to start, then CJ can't be on this team b/c he's not a PG, and he's not a good #2. He's a great #3 to have.
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