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re: I'm completely dumbfounded how even ONE person could NOT like this deal
Posted on 12/8/11 at 6:57 pm to shel311
Posted on 12/8/11 at 6:57 pm to shel311
Demps brought us from below .500 to 7th playoff seed to trading CP3 with what little teams CP3 was interested in to get a bunch of solid players. I think he knows what the frick he is doing. Let's just let the rest of the offseason play out.
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Posted on 12/8/11 at 6:59 pm to MrPappagiorgio
me too. he could be the real gem of the deal.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:01 pm to MrPappagiorgio
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Im really excited about Dragic.
I am, too. I don't mind Martin, but he is overpaid. Odom and Scola are the ones that kill it for me. "Here, hang these contracts around your neck while you climb that mountain."
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:02 pm to shel311
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Considering how many pieces we got in this deal makes me confident in Demps's ability to keep making moves that'll make this team as good as we can be without Paul.
IMO Scola cancels out dumping Okafor.
Odom is an excellent player, but a prima donna on a completely different level. If you thought Paul made it hard to get value for him, wait until Odom refuses to go anywhere but Miami.
So we basically got Martin, Dragic, and picked up a couple of late draft picks.
We could have gotten a comparable talent to Martin for 12 million a year in FA.
Unless Demps hits a home run flipping Odom, I think this deal is terrible for even a malcontented star.
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:03 pm to Jester
I have no sources, no inside knowledge, nothing.
But I would almost guarantee Odom gets moved.
But I would almost guarantee Odom gets moved.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:03 pm to NIH
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me too. he could be the real gem of the deal.
I think he's a potential star. Not a superstar, maybe, but a hell of a player.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:03 pm to tehchampion140
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bunch of solid players
They are definitely solid, but they are overpaid and that is going to kill us.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:04 pm to mhasen1
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So we basically got Martin and picked up a couple of late draft picks.
What?
Dragic?
Not to mention, AGAIN, I"m guessing Demps isn't done dealing, and Odom will be next.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:04 pm to mhasen1
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But what gives you confidence that they will be better?
what makes you think it will be worse?
look at our roster 3 hours ago. Consider we have 5 players on our roster who all suck, and our first game is in 2.5 weeks
now look at our roster now, as well as the 2 picks we just got.
Look, I am a season ticket holder. I think this deal makes us pretty damn competitive in the short term, and long term who knows? We've added picks, a few decent players that could have value to contending teams at deadline in the next few years.
anyone that says this is a bad deal right now is just stupid, considering what else was on the table and how CP3 had us by the balls.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:04 pm to mhasen1
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wait until Odom refuses to go anywhere but Miami.
we can trade Odom to anyone. he will have little power
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We could have gotten a comparable talent to Martin for 12 million a year in FA.
Umm no..32 year old Caron Butler went for 9M /year today
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:06 pm to Lester Earl
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nyone that says this is a bad deal right now is just stupid, considering what else was on the table and how CP3 had us by the balls.
i said this like 3 times, and it can't be repeated enough times.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:06 pm to NIH
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It's far too early to judge this trade too positively or too negatively IMO.
Agree 100%. Kelly Dwyer's headline sums it up perfectly: Massive deal that raises heaps of questions.
The Hornets certainly recieved quality pieces, but they also gave up a top-5 player in the process. Not the worst start, but Demps clearly has a lot of work to do if this is going to lay a solid ground work for a sustainable future.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:08 pm to shel311
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i said this like 3 times, and it can't be repeated enough times.
Pretty much. People think we still could've gotten elite young talent like Eric Gordon or Steph Curry. They don't realize that CP3, being the selfish prick he has turned out to be, told those teams to go frick themselves, thus fricking the Hornets on any of those trades.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:08 pm to shel311
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Dragic?
Love this part of the deal.
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Not to mention, AGAIN, I"m guessing Demps isn't done dealing, and Odom will be next.
He's definitely not done dealing and who knows what happens next. I'm feeling pretty fricking good, all things considered.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:09 pm to tehchampion140
This was a terrible trade. And this is not a good thing:
Who the frick cares about the 7th seed in the playoffs? The Hornets now have a bunch of overpaid guys who aren't young. They don't have any upside. They are positioned to be a low lottery/ high seed in the playoffs for a couple of years with no young guys to offer any additional ceiling.
A second point: While I and many fans only care about winning (which this trade does not put the Hornets in position to do), this isn't exactly going to sell a lot of folks on the Hornets. There is not one guy on this team that sells tickets. It is a bunch of guys not quite at all star level getting paid like all stars.
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Demps brought us from below .500 to 7th playoff seed to trading CP3 with what little teams CP3 was interested in to get a bunch of solid players.
Who the frick cares about the 7th seed in the playoffs? The Hornets now have a bunch of overpaid guys who aren't young. They don't have any upside. They are positioned to be a low lottery/ high seed in the playoffs for a couple of years with no young guys to offer any additional ceiling.
A second point: While I and many fans only care about winning (which this trade does not put the Hornets in position to do), this isn't exactly going to sell a lot of folks on the Hornets. There is not one guy on this team that sells tickets. It is a bunch of guys not quite at all star level getting paid like all stars.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:10 pm to Jester
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but they are overpaid and that is going to kill us.
95% of the contracts signed after a player's rookie deal are horrible. Its the NBA. wake up.
like i said earlier, Scola signed a deal last year and then had a career year. At least we have someone that will play hard and produce in the near future.
Kevin MArtin can score 25 on any given night. Those guys aren't cheap
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:11 pm to emmanuellewis
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Who the frick cares about the 7th seed in the playoffs?
I did, so go frick yourself. We are not the Lakers. We will not be a top seed every year. We took the Lakers to 6 games, for Christ's sake. If you want perennial powerhouses then stop being a Hornets fan douche.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:11 pm to Lester Earl
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what makes you think it will be worse?
Peja's expiring and 2011 1st(Bayless) for Jack and Andersen
Brackins and Songaila's expiring for Willie Green and Jason Smith
This deal
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:13 pm to mhasen1
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Peja's expiring and 2011 1st(Bayless) for Jack and Andersen
That Jack trade was done to appease Chris Paul and Bayless had not fit in well.
Besides, you can also thank George Shinn who was hemorrhaging money and desperately needed to get under the luxury tax for those trades you cited.
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:13 pm to emmanuellewis
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A second point: While I and many fans only care about winning (which this trade does not put the Hornets in position to do), this isn't exactly going to sell a lot of folks on the Hornets. There is not one guy on this team that sells tickets. It is a bunch of guys not quite at all star level getting paid like all stars.
And letting Paul walk for nothing then watching this team in the dumps for a few years would sell tons of tickets?
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