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re: I'm completely dumbfounded how even ONE person could NOT like this deal
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:24 pm to tehchampion140
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:24 pm to tehchampion140
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No we couldn't have. We could've tried, but we wouldn't get shite because no one would give us anyone worthwhile to rent CP3 for a year. This is by far the best trade we've gotten in terms of talent with CP3 not agreeing to any extensions.
And what keeps Odom from doing the same thing?
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Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:25 pm to Lester Earl
You trade your best player and we will still be a fringe 6-8 seed for the next few years. With the clippers trade it would bring excitement after we draft two studs that could be franchising changing. This move doesnt do that. We need an ovethaul and a youth movement with eyes to the future. Say you get drummimd and barnes with those 2 picks. Dont think thatll put people in the seats?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:26 pm to lsuguy13
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Say you get drummimd and barnes with those 2 picks. Dont think thatll put people in the seats?
a team that may win 12-15 games this year and that prob wont be any better for the next 2 or 3 years will not put butts in the seat, regardless of what fantasy land you live in.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:27 pm to Jester
You really dont see the difference between a team giving up young players+draft picks for a rent a star vs. Odom for some role players?
Really?
Really?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:29 pm to lsuguy13
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You trade your best player and we will still be a fringe 6-8 seed for the next few years. With the clippers trade it would bring excitement after we draft two studs that could be franchising changing. This move doesnt do that. We need an ovethaul and a youth movement with eyes to the future. Say you get drummimd and barnes with those 2 picks. Dont think thatll put people in the seats?
Pretty much an impossible scenario considering the new CBA requirements. Numbers wouldn't have matched up and they would've had to go out in free agency and spend enough to get to the 85% threshold. Then you're essentially in the same position with the same concerns about being locked into guys. New CBA really doesn't allow you to do anything in terms of rebuilding until 2014 at the earliest.
Furthermore, there's no guarantee the Minny and LAC #1s were going to be high picks. Certainly weren't likely to both be top 5 like you suggest.
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:35 pm to lsuguy13
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With the clippers trade it would bring excitement after we draft two studs that could be franchising changing.
The Clippers trade that the Clippers said no to?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:35 pm to Joe Joe Joe
So, overpaid and old is the consensus.
Can someone give me examples of "good" contracts in the NBA?
I'd also like to know the average age of the past few NBA champion teams such as Dallas and Boston.
I'll hang up and listen.
Can someone give me examples of "good" contracts in the NBA?
I'd also like to know the average age of the past few NBA champion teams such as Dallas and Boston.
I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:37 pm to GynoSandberg
While I agree teams full of youngsters dont win titles, lets not start suggesting this team is ready to compete for a title...
We're better today than we were yesterday though
We're better today than we were yesterday though
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:37 pm to MrPappagiorgio
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You really dont see the difference between a team giving up young players+draft picks for a rent a star vs. Odom for some role players?
Really?
Who said that? I just think we took on shitty contracts that will put us in a bad situation, and I fricking hate Lamar Odom as a player.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:38 pm to tehchampion140
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Please tell me, what would you have done as the GM? I'm listening.
Neither of know what specific deals would or would not have gone through. With that said, I would have bottomed out and got good picks/ dumped contracts as a strategy as opposed to this. The goal should always be to move toward a championship. Bottoming out and going with a youth movement at least starts that process.
Now, the Hornets have a bunch of non-elite players who are overpaid. Odom (age 32, above average contract), Kevin Martin (age 28, below average contract), Luis Scola (age 31, bad contract), and Emeka Okafor (age 29, terrible contract) are the core of this team. Martin is really the only guy who can score. The team has little flexibility in free agency and have a bunch of overpaid role players as the "stars" (and a below average cast as the role players). More than the individual players (which again, I think are poor), I think this was the wrong strategy to move in.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:40 pm to Jester
You implied Lamar Odom would have issues with certian teams, thus scaring them away from throwing valuable pieces into a deal... Lamar Odom cant say shite as to where he goes.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:41 pm to GynoSandberg
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I'd also like to know the average age of the past few NBA champion teams such as Dallas and Boston.
Are you really trying to compare Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Dirk Nowitzki, and Jason Kidd to Lamar Odom?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:41 pm to MrPappagiorgio
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You implied Lamar Odom would have issues with certian teams, thus scaring them away from throwing valuable pieces into a deal... Lamar Odom cant say shite as to where he goes.
Neither could Chris Paul. Point being, he can't block a trade to Minnesota, but he could put out enough "rumors" to make Minnesota back off just like CP3 did.
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:42 pm to emmanuellewis
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The team has little flexibility in free agency
This team has little flexibility in free agency, and in general, because of the new CBA. Most of y'all are failing to grasp this. CBA did nothing but maintain the status quo for 2 years essentially. The Hornets could not simply "bottom out" and start clearing away bad contracts.
As a result, Hornets were going to be stuck with bad contracts regardless. So it was a question of getting those contracts over with now or offering bad, new contracts to this year and next year's free agents.
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:44 pm to Jester
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Neither could Chris Paul
Chris Pauls unwillingness to sign an extension with certain teams dictated where he would end up, and what that team was will to give for him
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Point being, he can't block a trade to Minnesota, but he could put out enough "rumors" to make Minnesota back off just like CP3 did
Lamars cost =/= Chris Pauls cost
This post was edited on 12/8/11 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:45 pm to emmanuellewis
People need to get the original Clippers and Warriors deal out of their thought process when evaluating this deal.
As soon as CP3 said he wasn't signing an extension with them, Curry and Gordon/Jordan,Minn 1st round pick was out the deal. The Clippers were offering a combo of Bledsoe, Aminu, and Mo Williams. You can't sit and say that trade would be better than this one.
As soon as CP3 said he wasn't signing an extension with them, Curry and Gordon/Jordan,Minn 1st round pick was out the deal. The Clippers were offering a combo of Bledsoe, Aminu, and Mo Williams. You can't sit and say that trade would be better than this one.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:46 pm to WB504
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People need to get the original Clippers and Warriors deal out of their thought process when evaluating this deal.
As soon as CP3 said he wasn't signing an extension with them, Curry and Gordon/Jordan,Minn 1st round pick was out the deal. The Clippers were offering a combo of Bledsoe, Aminu, and Mo Williams. You can't sit and say that trade would be better than this one.
Don't try to bring common sense into this thread. Some people won't have it.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:47 pm to WB504
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Bledsoe, Aminu, and Mo Williams.
I would've given up on the Hornets with that.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:47 pm to John McClane
The only problems I have with it are cp3 going to the lakers and us getting odom. Dudes a lazy bum. The bright side of Paul going to LA is more people will get to see how truly great a player he is.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 7:49 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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Don't try to bring common sense into this thread. Some people won't have it.
Can't blame a guy for trying. Decent trade for all things considered. I'm also willing to bet Demps isn't done making moves. We have trade pieces now.
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