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Methuselah
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If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Say you were in Griffin's exact position. You had made the same moves he made, you had the same players, picks, etc.

Not really asking about specifics, but what general moves would you make? Experience HC, or young guy with high risk, high potential? How many of the pics would you move? Go all in and cash all of them in? Use about half? Only use a couple? Who would you definitely keep? Who would you definitely get rid of? Who could you see going either wsy?


ghost2most
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Well it's clear the Bledsoe is gone one way or another.

I wouldn't overpay of Hart. I'd re-sign Lonzo unless he gets an offer for more than $15 million. I don't like him but at this point you don't want to piss off Zion more. Sign him and deal him later possibly.

I'd go all in for Beal/Lillard/Lavine.

The picks are only going to start going down in value as they come closer to fruition.

Hayes is the asset I try my best to hold on to. He has All Star potential. Everything else is on the table.

Before the Zion news, I'd have considered moving Ingram, but I think that's too much for Zion at this point.


DallasTiger45
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Need a legitimate wing who can shoot and provide some modicum of resistance on the perimeter. Ideally another ballhandler as well.

As much as I hate to say it, I think it makes sense to deal one of NAW/Kira, especially if you re-sign Lonzo. I think one of NAW and Kira plus a couple picks could net us a starting caliber player that fills one of the aforementioned weaknesses.


NOSHAU
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Sadly, it is going to be tough. I do not see many, if any, stars being available this offseason. I just hope he does not compound the issue by making a panic move and overpaying for marginal talent (ala Adams trade).


Jar_Jar_80
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
I would look at the Hawks off season as a example major moves to upgrade the roster but not getting rid of all the key young players.


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DeionDeion
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Coach
-I want a coach that can motivate the players, can manage all the personalities, and is on the same page with ownership
-I think since there are so many voices/egos involved in this organization, I say we take a younger coach looking to prove themselves

Hart, Lonzo, Bled, Adams
-Love Hart's toughness on the court, but as a player, he can easily be replaced
-I'd bring back Lonzo for the right price, but I don't think that'll happen
-got to get rid of Bled & Adams

Trades
-I'd probably use at least half of our war chest to make a significant upgrade on the perimeter

Dream Scenario/Highly Unlikely
-go for broke on a Beal trade and then convince Kyle Lowry to sign here


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Soggymoss
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
I want a coach that will go 11-12 deep into the bench every night.

Trades, I look for guys that will be good bargains, but still good role players (like Brogdon). We don't need the homerun 3rd star, we need the deep team that can compete with anyone, like Phoenix, Utah, Denver, Atlanta.

To get those trades done, I use Bledsoe and Adams, and every pick needed.


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BowDownToLSU
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Agreed with everything except
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I'd re-sign Lonzo


1ranter1
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
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If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?


Find a time machine to fix my complete and utter incompetence over the last 24 months


NOSHAU
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
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Agreed with everything except
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I'd re-sign Lonzo

Would not doubt Zion kinda forces Griff to re-sign Ball if he truly enjoys playing with him. That might tie his hands for other big moves though unless someone takes Adams and Bledsoe off of our hands.


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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Trades : Bledsoe, Adams, Kira (if Lonzo stays at Pels)

Targets (very probably unrealistic) : Lillard, Beal, Brogdon.

I would keep Zion, BI , Lonzo and Hayes (the alone 4 guys which had positive box plus minus the last season)

Need an elite point also.


GOP_Tiger
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
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Sadly, it is going to be tough. I do not see many, if any, stars being available this offseason.


Most of us wouldn't have foreseen half of the NBA craziness of just the last two days. There's really no telling right now.


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duyp
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
I kind of want to go with the Suns/Hawks route.

Get a bunch of small forwards who can shoot and defend somewhat.

If we do draft around 10th, I wonder if we can trade it for Reddish to keep Zion happy. That’s if Mitchell/Moody is off the board.
This post was edited on 6/17 at 6:28 pm


Jar_Jar_80
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Yea some are to focus right now of trying to trade for a star when solid players who do there job will improve this team so much. People just don't understand how bad Bled, JJ, and Meli where last year just replacing these guys with competent players will improve this team so much.


Townedrunkard
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
I don’t know who will be available but I’d like to get a solid veteran pg to replace Bledsoe by trade or free agency. Then work on getting a wing that is a bullseye 3 point shooter. Like someone said, maybe a McDermott or someone along those lines.

Don’t really care for Lonzo but I’d match salaries if it’s in the 15-16 million range. More than that he might be hard to trade later on.

This is assuming Lavine or Beal is completely off the table or will cost us too much of the war chest.
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Pelliveli
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
I feel like the mistakes he made were retaining Gentry initially, overpaying for the center position. And not Trading JJ last offseason. Honestly I can't bring myself to pile up on him or SVG. The players have to be held accountable and if everyone was being 100 percent honest, I think its fair to say that for as good as Zion has been, He still has been underwhelming is several regards. Mobility seems limited, desire seemed nonexistent at the start of the season, questions about his conditioning, and now THIS. The shite just isnt fair. But thats life I guess. Griff and SVG didnt make him or BI poor defenders and rebounders. Didn't make BI choke in the 2nd half of games and at the end of games at the FT line. and They damn sure didn't make Lonzo inconsistent. If you wanna say Griff's positives were already laid out perfectly for him, cool. But the negatives have more to do with the players underperforming, not the front office. Hart didn't make the jump. Lonzo was inconsistent. JJ fell off a cliff. Bledsoe fell off a cliff. Those are your shooters right there. (except bledsoe) If this shite continues we really need to shift our thinking to selling high on Zion or this could rapidly turn into another KP situation in new york.
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irvchilichill1
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Coach-- Let Gayle, Langdon and Cash make decision. Langdon is the GM, but most people dont know it. GM's select and hire coaches. Langdon was on his way to Sacramento, until Griff persuaded him to stay somehow. I guess we will see if Langdon gets a chance to have REAL input and put his stamp on his tenure here.

PLAYERS:
Time to start using the warchest of picks. About time. U can have too much assets and paralyze yourself from inaction or thinking you can't take a chance on possibly giving up too much in a trade and lose out on getting what u need/want to solidify contender/Championship status (i.e. Danny Ainge-- AD).

1. Trade Bledsoe: The objective should be to get cap relief 1st and foremost. Gotta use a 1st round pick and whatever else. If you can get something back in the trade, a player or lesser pick, lagniappe.

2. RESIGN BALL: This was a no-brainer midway thru the season when Lonzo was showing he is worthy of the 20mil he is asking for. Should have been guaranteed when BI/Zion said they wanted him back. Now with the "news" of Zion wanting out, Griff should let LANGDON come out and say, WE MATCHING ANY OFFER and LONZO is OUR PG and a CORE MEMBER. Helps to make Zion happy but moreso, attempt to sway teams from not even giving Lonzo an offer and tying up their cap space during the most crucial time during the opening of free agency. You are trying to make NY and Chicago, whoever, not submit contracts that would overpay Lonzo.

2. SIGN AND TRADE J. HART
I like Hart and what he brings with his defense, rebounding and intangibles, but he is too small when he is typically being played out of position at SF which neutralizes any advantages he has defensively (think Jrue for years guarding Bron, KD, Giannis). Plus, his 3pt. shooting is a factoring issue.
We need height and length besides shooting to put around Zion. Positional vesatility is the key to defending in the modern NBA and if u want to truly unlock Zion's potential (point Zion), you need players who can assume Zion's post role in situations and cover for his perceived defensive shortcomings. Thats why I have thought and said many times prior, on this board, that we should have tried to sign Jeramie Grant last year. If he there is ANY WAY to get him now from Detroit, you do it, but I digress. More importantly, having Didi Louzada and Naji Marshall, optimistically show they are capable of backing up Ingram, at a cheaper price, then Hart's value is diminished and redundant on this team and needs to be re-distributed in terms of securing size and shooting.

3. FIND YOUR 3RD STAR (If possible/reduce Championship window)
One thinks this should be the 1st consideration in off-season moves, but its tough to find one available, for the right price and doesnt handicap your cap flexibility/deplete assets to solidify true Championship aspirations, for many years. So, yes, we would love Bradley Beal, Zach Lavine, etc., to form our own Big 3, but at what cost and do we have to go that route yet? I dont think that is the path we should take because it narrows the margin for error for any team to sustain success. History shows that if an injury to one of them, practically exposes the lack of depth and quality in the rest of team. Miami (Bron years) and Cleveland (Bron 2nd tour), GS (2 years running), have shown that using 85% of your cap space on 3 players ONLY WORKS if they stay healthy, but at some point, it is inevitable to not be sustainable. Plus, we are small market team that believing solid role players will come to N.O. on minimum deals just bc of a supposed contender status is doing so at your own peril. Bron never got that benefit really in Cleveland in his 1st tenure and I cant recall any small market team ever getting it either. Im not saying dont go that route, but understand that your ability to field a team with depth is basically out the window and your scouting department better be San Antonio good to find late 1st/2nd rounders that contribute and outperform their draft status, DAY 1. This front office (Griff) has not shown his ability to find the diamonds in the rough, EVER.
Likely outcome if 3rd star is secured this offseason. Win the PR outlook, 1-2 seasons (maybe) of relevance, misuse whatever assets remain, lose some of the developing youngsters due to cap, become cap- strung to make moves, Zion asks for trade AFTER signing his max-deal at some point.

4. DRAFT: (Trade package/Select)
This point may actually be the biggest decision of the summer. Do you keep the pick, if not #1 (Cunningham), or use it as a chip to get 3rd star? Answer: All depends on factors not known at this moment. Plus, see #3 above. I suggest selecting a player that fits the overall need of this team--length and defensive versatility 1st, shooting 2nd. If we select another damn undersized guard, Griff needs to be fired. Period.

4. FREE AGENCY
If we dont unload Big Kiwi, in a similar fashion like we HAVE to do with Bledsoe, then we are lkkely to be limited to the MLE and BLE. I think Griff goes into next season with Adams on the roster, so here are a few of the REALISTIC FA Players we should target with the MLE:




irvchilichill1
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
Unrestricted
1. Otto Porter- similar to N. Batum's career path. Overpaid and underperformed on 2nd contract, but in the right situation (Clippers) is a solid contributor. If he can regain his Washington 3pt. shooting then he is perfect for this team.
2. Justice Winslow- Solid defender, versatile, only 25 and fits timeline. Issues a while back almost ended NBA time, seems behind him, still can unlock and develop offensive skills, can play 2-4. Exceptional bench option.
3. Kelly Oubre- We know his value, just not sure if the MLE is enough to get him.
4. Tony Snell- Great 3pt shooting year (56%), long, defense is not bad but he should be better, 29yrs old. Good player off bench who can get hot and gives us options at 2/3 position
5. Spencer Dinwiddle- if he comes back healthy, great bench/solid starter. Before injury, he was in the same boat as Tim Hardaway Jr., Welsey Matthews-type class. Starter type if healthy. Perfect backup to Lonzo or alongside him for stretches in a game. 3pt shooting is solid.
6. Josh Richardson- had a down year but he plays D and can score.
7. *Montrezl Harrell- Most know his value, Lakers tenure and post-season was weird, might opt out. We can offer him a chance at being a big contributor to a contending team.
8.Doug McDermott- Finally producing stats that merited his draft status. Sniper from 3pt range. Defense would need masking. What Melli was supposed to be.
9. Kris Dunn- Solid defender, nice backup PG and reserve player
10. Nerlens Noel-Defensive journeyman that has been a good role player in the last few years. BLE may be more suitable. *Willie Cauley Stein--same situation
11.Bobby Portis- Solid player for NY and has decent touch on midrange shots. Another BLE player to watch for.
12. Jeff Green/Nicolas Batum/Markeiff Morris/Taj Gibson/Alex Len/-- All players who are stretch 4/5 players who have value


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armsdealer
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
I know this is a short term solution, but go all in for CP3. He has what we need. I think this team could be really good with a lot of the same cast just played differently. Let Bledsoe lead the second team. Start Hayes and give him more time than Adams.

I think Ingram should be on the table to get a better fit next to Zion buy you have to tread lightly not to piss off Zion even if Zion doesn't know what is best for him. If you have Zion, BI and CP3 and can't get to the playoffs we just need to ship the team to the highest bidder.



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Chalkywhite84
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re: If you were in Griffin's position, what general track would you take?
I feel like that pick is getting traded one way or another.

Either moving up or packaging it in a trade

I don't see them picking at 10. No one moves the needle at 10.


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