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re: I know it’s been a death of a thousand cuts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:35 pm to ned nederlander
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:35 pm to ned nederlander
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and I would include the CJ acquisition
I'm sure I'm one of the few, but the CJ acquisition was huge for this team. We desperately needed a splash get that wanted to be here and we got it. CJ has been a dude
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:37 pm to brmark70816
To be fair. I remember this board to be 50/50 on drafting Garland. Despite having Lonzo and Jrue. I think our 2 main concerns were injuries and the Klutch sports connection (main concern).
I don’t think it’s much hindsight. Even if you rule that as hindsight. This entire board was all in on drafting either Hali, Maxey or Bane a year or 2 later, and a lot of us wanted 2 of the 3.
I think it’s okay to armchair GM this team and admit that Griff has dropped the ball in some key spots.
I don’t think it’s much hindsight. Even if you rule that as hindsight. This entire board was all in on drafting either Hali, Maxey or Bane a year or 2 later, and a lot of us wanted 2 of the 3.
I think it’s okay to armchair GM this team and admit that Griff has dropped the ball in some key spots.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:54 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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To be fair. I remember this board to be 50/50 on drafting Garland. Despite having Lonzo and Jrue. I think our 2 main concerns were injuries and the Klutch sports connection (main concern). I don’t think it’s much hindsight. Even if you rule that as hindsight. This entire board was all in on drafting either Hali, Maxey or Bane a year or 2 later, and a lot of us wanted 2 of the 3.
100%
Thats why I said not drafting Garland isn’t as big of a deal. There were plenty of voices here that weren’t sure on him. That decision is revisionist history.
No one was calling for Kira, yet the majority wanted Maxey, as well as Bane. I distinctly remember that draft night thread and plenty of people asking to get back in the late first to get Bane since we had two decent 2nds in that draft.
Posted on 11/27/24 at 4:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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No one was calling for Kira, yet the majority wanted Maxey, as well as Bane. I distinctly remember that draft night thread and plenty of people asking to get back in the late first to get Bane since we had two decent 2nds in that draft.
I need to see receipts on this. Maxey was not great in college and was a pure projection pick (mocked 15-25). We picked at #13, and almost every mock had us taking Lewis. He had tons of fans on the board, given he was more in the area (we have a ton of Alabama fans on the board). He was also a great prospect. Solid size, good shooter and insane speed. It sucks he was a bust. But he wasn't a bad value. No one thought Maxey would become this, otherwise he's a top 3 pick.
How would we get Bane? We had one pick, at #13. The Bucks pick went to the Nuggets, as part of the Holiday trade. What assets are we trading to get back into the draft? Also Bane fell hard in the draft, from a potential top 10 to being picked #30. There wasn't any push for us to get back into the 1st.
Posted on 11/27/24 at 4:11 am to brmark70816
Revisionist history was - Kira had the speed of deaaron fox but was stupid young and high potential.
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:32 am to htran90
Only slightly revisionist. Kira was welcomed because we had no PG on the roster and he was a top P&R PG in college, but Maxey had plenty of fans here. Nobody would have complained if they took Maxey or traded down for Maxey and a pick.
Posted on 11/27/24 at 7:44 am to brmark70816
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. He was also a great prospect. Solid size, good shooter and insane speed.
The only reason he was a great prospect was b/c he was 18 years old and had been in college for two years. That was more important than actual basketball reasons.
Solid size? Are you kidding me? He was the smallest guy in the nba.
He was 18 and fast. That’s why the Raiders, I mean Griff picked him.
I’m not saying anyone was mad with the Kira pick when it happened, as just about everyone justified it with happiness after we picked him. Just saying there weren’t a ton of people saying that’s the guy we should draft leading up to the draft.
And it wasnt like anyone thought this is who Maxey would end up being. Just that there were plenty people here that wanted him in that draft.
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How would we get Bane?
Do you know how Memphis got him?
They traded two 2nds to Boston for the 30th pick. It was well known Boston didn’t want that pick. You know we had 39 and 42 in that draft. Traded both picks away for basically nothing, and one of them was Nick Richards.
Posted on 11/27/24 at 10:53 am to TeddyPadillac
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Just saying there weren’t a ton of people saying that’s the guy we should draft leading up to the draft.
People on here or mocks? I went and looked back at the mocks. More than a few had Lewis going to us. It just made sense.
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Are you kidding me? He was the smallest guy in the nba.
He was 18 and fast. /quote]
Maybe weight wise. But he was supposed to fill out as he matured. He had good height and length. The speed made him special, top 5 in the league fast. You can't teach or train for that. Its a gift.
[quote]And it wasnt like anyone thought this is who Maxey would end up being. Just that there were plenty people here that wanted him in that draft.
It just doesn't seem genuine. If a redraft happens, Maxey goes 1st or 2nd, not 13th. We didn't miss on him, as much as 10 other teams missed too. If you called that out ahead of time, congrats. I just don't believe anyone thought he'd be what he is.
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Do you know how Memphis got him?
They traded two 2nds to Boston for the 30th pick. It was well known Boston didn’t want that pick. You know we had 39 and 42 in that draft. Traded both picks away for basically nothing, and one of them was Nick Richards
I saw all of that. But what would have been the incentive to get back in? We drafted Lewis. We had Ball, just added Bledsoe, had Redick, Hart, NAW, Ingram on the wing. What was the importance to trade for Bane? Unless you knew he would be a future star, why target him?
Posted on 11/27/24 at 11:08 am to bluebarracuda
quote:People talk about the wasted war chest, but who were they expecting we could realistically get?
I'm sure I'm one of the few, but the CJ acquisition was huge for this team. We desperately needed a splash get that wanted to be here and we got it. CJ has been a dude
Dudes like Giannis are not coming here. We talk about it, this is not 2k...it is not realistic, players of that caliber do not get traded to New Orleans.
So if we're having a realistic discussion on actual players we can get with the war chest, we ended with getting CJ and Dejounte Murray. Again, realistically, that's pretty darn solid.
But again, some folks have spent 3 years on this board telling us how terrible CJ is, so there's that too.
Posted on 11/27/24 at 12:27 pm to shel311
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So if we're having a realistic discussion on actual players we can get with the war chest, we ended with getting CJ and Dejounte Murray. Again, realistically, that's pretty darn solid.
People want to judge Griff by what he tried to do and failed hard at while ignoring what he fell arse backwards into. You know the saying it's better to be lucky than good, Griff has proven to have extraordinary luck. Just look at how many #1 picks he's been a part of.
If you take Griff completely out of the equation and say, year 6 has the team given a generational star enough talent to accomplish more than never play in a playoff game, the answer is an overwhelming yes. Zion is the one that has failed this team, and while I'm not looking to dump him, this was the year he was supposed to show he had grown and become mature. He's a father now, if that doesn't change you for the better and make you more responsible, nothing will.
Maybe we'll be lucky one year and get his 60ish games at the right segment of the season, but I don't see the path forward getting any easier with Zion as the star. Again, no dumping, but a soft tank in a stacked draft while getting a bunch of future assets back to build a regular 2nd round team that can make the WCF if they catch the right breaks is a big improvement over the current situation.
This post was edited on 11/27/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 11/27/24 at 8:38 pm to TigerinATL
Yea
Griff has has some kisses but also some solid additions.
Ultimately, if we got what we all thought we were getting in Zion, the Griff era would be viewed a heck of a lot differently.
But I'd say is biggest failure wasn't player acquisition issues, it was losing a handle on Zion from the very beginning. Maybe Zion was never going to get it and buy in... But that was Griff's job, and he got paid millions, and he didn't get it done.
Griff has has some kisses but also some solid additions.
Ultimately, if we got what we all thought we were getting in Zion, the Griff era would be viewed a heck of a lot differently.
But I'd say is biggest failure wasn't player acquisition issues, it was losing a handle on Zion from the very beginning. Maybe Zion was never going to get it and buy in... But that was Griff's job, and he got paid millions, and he didn't get it done.
Posted on 11/28/24 at 10:06 pm to shel311
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People talk about the wasted war chest, but who were they expecting we could realistically get?
Made a thread years ago, got downvoted to hell, argued nonstop about it. Was told he was the most overrated ‘star’ in the nba and doesn’t play D.
Was very attainable with our assets.
Turns out I was right…
His team is currently in first.
This post was edited on 11/28/24 at 10:07 pm
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