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I know it’s been a death of a thousand cuts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:26 am
But if you could undo one Griffin move that could have possibly changed the outcome of facing yet another tear down, what would it be?
Can’t be “don’t draft Zion” because that one was about a 99% consensus pick, so can’t operate in hindsight on that one.
Can’t be “don’t draft Zion” because that one was about a 99% consensus pick, so can’t operate in hindsight on that one.
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Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:34 am to BilJ
Trading down from the 4th overall pick to take Hayes and NAW instead of taking the best shooter in the draft in Garland.
The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
The first cut is the deepest, baby I know
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:35 am to BilJ
It doesn't solve all of the problems, but "Pick Darius Garland at 4" is probably the single most consequential move that puts you on a different path.
I think the biggest issue though was trying to compete and rebuild at the same time. They should have traded Jrue and brought in over paid vets other teams give you assets to take like OKC did. Instead we burned assets on guys like Derrick Favors and Steven Adams who didn't really have any lasting impact.
I think the biggest issue though was trying to compete and rebuild at the same time. They should have traded Jrue and brought in over paid vets other teams give you assets to take like OKC did. Instead we burned assets on guys like Derrick Favors and Steven Adams who didn't really have any lasting impact.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:47 am to TigerinATL
quote:Yea, that's the no brainer first one that comes to mind, but...
It doesn't solve all of the problems, but "Pick Darius Garland at 4" is probably the single most consequential move that puts you on a different path.
I'm not sure we're not in roughly the same spot we're in now even if that happened. Though obviously that would have changed every other decision going forward...
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:50 am to BilJ
everything he did from 2021 to 2022.
Thinking Adams and Bledsoe were good returns for Jrue, two guys who he had to give assets away to get rid of.
Drafting Kira when everyone wanted Maxey.
Then should have traded Lonzo at the deadline. Then he got nothing for him in a S&T in the offseason from a desperate team that needed your help to sign him.
Then he gave assets away to S&T Graham when he didn’t have to, and then he shipped out 4 2nds just to get rid of him.
A master class in not knowing what the frick you are doing.
Thinking Adams and Bledsoe were good returns for Jrue, two guys who he had to give assets away to get rid of.
Drafting Kira when everyone wanted Maxey.
Then should have traded Lonzo at the deadline. Then he got nothing for him in a S&T in the offseason from a desperate team that needed your help to sign him.
Then he gave assets away to S&T Graham when he didn’t have to, and then he shipped out 4 2nds just to get rid of him.
A master class in not knowing what the frick you are doing.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:56 am to BilJ
Many have been mentioned but arguably the biggest was how he handled Zion from the jump .
He gave Zion all the power , let his step dad in. No accountability , no expectations, etc. he just completely screwed the pooch in that relationship .
Other thing is holding on guys too long . Lonzo , BI, now Zion should have all been traded when they had value .
He gave Zion all the power , let his step dad in. No accountability , no expectations, etc. he just completely screwed the pooch in that relationship .
Other thing is holding on guys too long . Lonzo , BI, now Zion should have all been traded when they had value .
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:02 pm to TigerinATL
I'll do a top 5 with assumption that we had to take Zion and all the trouble that has brought:
1. Not taking Darius Garland with the 4th pick in 2019. In that same draft not taking a good big like Gafford or Naz Reid in the second round despite having two picks;
2. Taking the wrong PG in 2020 in Kira Lewis when Tyrese Halliburton was in reach and Tyrese Maxey was still on the board. In that same draft, trading away pick 23 in Adams deal instead of keeping it and taking a shooter like Bane;
3. Hiring Stan Van sight unseen instead of good young coach in 2020;
4. Trading a first round pick for Devonte Graham then burning 4(!) second round picks to dump him 18 months later to the Spurs;
5. Not taking deal to trade Lonzo to Bulls for Lauri Markkanen.
Get any one of these right, put one of the Tyreses on this team or Garland or Markkanen or Bane and I think you substantially change the trajectory of the Pels. Imagine if you got just two right and had, say, Maxey and Markkanen. Zion issue becomes much less of a big deal if you were rolling out, say, Maxey/Herb/Trey/Markkanen/Missi...
1. Not taking Darius Garland with the 4th pick in 2019. In that same draft not taking a good big like Gafford or Naz Reid in the second round despite having two picks;
2. Taking the wrong PG in 2020 in Kira Lewis when Tyrese Halliburton was in reach and Tyrese Maxey was still on the board. In that same draft, trading away pick 23 in Adams deal instead of keeping it and taking a shooter like Bane;
3. Hiring Stan Van sight unseen instead of good young coach in 2020;
4. Trading a first round pick for Devonte Graham then burning 4(!) second round picks to dump him 18 months later to the Spurs;
5. Not taking deal to trade Lonzo to Bulls for Lauri Markkanen.
Get any one of these right, put one of the Tyreses on this team or Garland or Markkanen or Bane and I think you substantially change the trajectory of the Pels. Imagine if you got just two right and had, say, Maxey and Markkanen. Zion issue becomes much less of a big deal if you were rolling out, say, Maxey/Herb/Trey/Markkanen/Missi...
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:53 pm to BilJ
Two biggest mistakes Griff made, both of which I pushed for on here, drafting Garland and trading Lonzo for Lauri M.
Either woukd have helped this franchise immensely
Either woukd have helped this franchise immensely
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/26/24 at 12:55 pm to New City Champ
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2. Taking the wrong PG in 2020 in Kira Lewis when Tyrese Halliburton was in reach and Tyrese Maxey was still on the board. In that same draft, trading away pick 23 in Adams deal instead of keeping it and taking a shooter like Bane;
I also pointed out the Adams trade was not good and if he was patient and waited a few months, he could have got Jarred Allen for about the same price he paid for Adams….
We could almost have the current Cavs roster that’s in first if Griff knew what he was doing….
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/26/24 at 1:17 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Drafting Kira when everyone wanted Maxey.
This one hurt man. He could have also drafted Nesmith, Cole Anthony, Isaiah Stewart, Payton Pritchard or Desmond Bane.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 1:22 pm to Townedrunkard
I don't like that we traded down from 4 to 8/17, but I can't fault him for not taking Garland. He was a huge risk to take at 4. He played 5 games in college against no one and he's 6'1", and he didn't do anything predraft but one private workout. Yeah he ended up being pretty good, but there was a ton of unknown with him before the draft.
I know I was wrong about him, and I wanted Hunter or Culver, which would have been terrible b/c he is easily the worst player picked in the top 13 of that draft.
Taking Kira over Maxey was dumb. Everyone here wanted Maxey, and everyone here was saying to buy back into the back of the draft for Bane. Boston didn't want that 30th pick and gave it away for 2 future seconds to Memphis where they took Bane.
We had 39 and 42 that night, and gave both picks away, and one of those picks was Nick Richards, who sure would be nice to have on our roster right now as a backup big.
From the moment we made the trade from 4 to 8/17 in the 2019 draft, Griff made dumb decision after dumb decision drafting and with free agents/trades/contracts, up until drafting Trey in 2021. Two years of just stupid arse basketball decisions. We had the war chest of all war chests and he did absolutely nothing with it, and wasted most of it.
I know I was wrong about him, and I wanted Hunter or Culver, which would have been terrible b/c he is easily the worst player picked in the top 13 of that draft.
Taking Kira over Maxey was dumb. Everyone here wanted Maxey, and everyone here was saying to buy back into the back of the draft for Bane. Boston didn't want that 30th pick and gave it away for 2 future seconds to Memphis where they took Bane.
We had 39 and 42 that night, and gave both picks away, and one of those picks was Nick Richards, who sure would be nice to have on our roster right now as a backup big.
From the moment we made the trade from 4 to 8/17 in the 2019 draft, Griff made dumb decision after dumb decision drafting and with free agents/trades/contracts, up until drafting Trey in 2021. Two years of just stupid arse basketball decisions. We had the war chest of all war chests and he did absolutely nothing with it, and wasted most of it.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 1:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:number 1 for me
Drafting Kira when everyone wanted Maxey.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 2:03 pm to BilJ
Fine…draft Zion and immediately trade him his rookie season
Posted on 11/26/24 at 3:19 pm to BilJ
I would have liked to have gotten more true value for Jrue Holliday. Even just more picks instead of Adams and Bledsoe would have been nice
Posted on 11/26/24 at 3:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
from 2021 to 2022.
Think you can add the 2019-2020 as well. Putting derrek favors and JJ Reddick on the team was a total flop. Really everything coaching hire, vet trade (and I would include the CJ acquisition), and every vet signing has failed to achieve the intended result.
What has saved Griff somewhat has been quality drafting since Kira and finding Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, Jose Alvarado, Missi and Dyson in the draft with picks you don’t necessarily expect to product good rotational minutes.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 4:45 pm to BilJ
GIving WIllie Green another year.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:07 pm to BilJ
Did you leave the place better than when you found it?
Griff has not. Dude had a war chest of picks and assets with a borderline lottery/play in team. Dude is going to leave us with no war chest and the worst team in the league. After hiring two coaches and making some of the worst decisions in the league on personnel. Hes a fricking loser.
Griff has not. Dude had a war chest of picks and assets with a borderline lottery/play in team. Dude is going to leave us with no war chest and the worst team in the league. After hiring two coaches and making some of the worst decisions in the league on personnel. Hes a fricking loser.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:07 pm to BilJ
Man---reading all these cuts...HOW IS GRIFF STILL EMPLOYED?
Posted on 11/26/24 at 8:19 pm to BilJ
this is a ton of hindsight but Maxey instead of Kira Lewis.
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:04 pm to ned nederlander
quote:
Think you can add the 2019-2020 as well. Putting derrek favors and JJ Reddick on the team was a total flop. Really everything coaching hire, vet trade (and I would include the CJ acquisition), and every vet signing has failed to achieve the intended result.
I always hate these looking back threads, where everyone claims to have awesome hindsight.
We were never drafting Garland. He plays PG. Our best player, Holiday, played PG. We had just acquired a PG that was drafted top 5 a couple of seasons previously. We were supposed to draft a guy top 5 to be the 3rd string PG? Also he sucked as a rookie. He would have been dealt after one season.
The biggest miss of the Griffin Era is letting Julius Randle walk. It's not even close. In 5 seasons Randle was a 3x AS, 2x All-NBA and was even a top 10 in MVP one season. We got nothing for him..
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