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How To Structure Boogie's Contract
Posted on 7/1/18 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 7/1/18 at 7:10 pm
This is based on some of my own thoughts and a little bit based on what I hear they are discussing. Basically, they want to accomplish a few things. They would like to stay under the tax or barely go over it. And they also want to incentivize Boogie to play next year. Not just pay him to rehab. So, here is how you do the deal.
First, let me explain likely and unlikely incentives to you. Why? Because unlikely incentives can only count for 15% of the salary. What makes an incentive likely? Quite simply... They just look at last year and see if the guy did it last year. If he did, it's likely. If not, unlikely. With very few exceptions. So, with that said, the Pels could load the contracts with incentives, as long as Boogie did it last year. If he takes forever to recover, they don't pay him the incentives and don't go that far into the tax, if at all. But if he comes back, and plays a decent portion of the season, he gets close to his max.
Year 1:
20 Million Base
3 Million if he plays 48 games
3 Million if he plays 1700 minutes
2 Million if he scores 1200 points
2 Million if he grabs 600 rebounds
If he does all that, he is well worth the 30 million, and I would even allow him hitting all those bench marks to trigger an opt out of his contract if he hits 3 or 4. If he hits 2 or fewer, then year two is a team option with a similar structure
First, let me explain likely and unlikely incentives to you. Why? Because unlikely incentives can only count for 15% of the salary. What makes an incentive likely? Quite simply... They just look at last year and see if the guy did it last year. If he did, it's likely. If not, unlikely. With very few exceptions. So, with that said, the Pels could load the contracts with incentives, as long as Boogie did it last year. If he takes forever to recover, they don't pay him the incentives and don't go that far into the tax, if at all. But if he comes back, and plays a decent portion of the season, he gets close to his max.
Year 1:
20 Million Base
3 Million if he plays 48 games
3 Million if he plays 1700 minutes
2 Million if he scores 1200 points
2 Million if he grabs 600 rebounds
If he does all that, he is well worth the 30 million, and I would even allow him hitting all those bench marks to trigger an opt out of his contract if he hits 3 or 4. If he hits 2 or fewer, then year two is a team option with a similar structure
Posted on 7/1/18 at 7:44 pm to Crewz
The Lakers aren't going hard after Boogie. Pels aren't worried. He will return. It's just about figuring out the structure, incentives, options, etc
Posted on 7/1/18 at 7:45 pm to Crewz
100% down with that structure.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 7:50 pm to Fun Bunch
These are all things they are discussing. They don't want to crush Boogie in negotiations. If he plays and plays well, give him his money and his freedom. But if he can't play for a while and/or plays poorly, then they should control the 2nd year. Its only fair.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 7:51 pm to Crewz
Yeah I think a structure like that works because as you stated, if he meets all those incentives it means he's way ahead of schedule on the rehab and is worth every penny.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 7:51 pm to Crewz
If that KCP deal is any indication, it seems goodnight for a Boogie to Lakers deal. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Noel go there on a 1 year deal to look like a rock star next to LBJ and get some of that money back he stupidly turned down.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 7:59 pm to Crewz
We are fricked anyway. The East just became shite again and the West is stronger than its ever been. Pels with Boogie for 1/3 of the season doesn't give me confidence that this team improves on last season.
Oh well atleast Toronto can be happy!!
Oh well atleast Toronto can be happy!!
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:00 pm to LesGeaux45
48 games means he is back by December and also sits out back to backs. That is actually pretty realistic IMO. It has become an 8-9 month injury. Wes Matthews had surgery in mid March and played on October 23rd. Just a tad over 7 months. Rudy Gay was playing LESS THAN 7 months after his surgery
Yeah, Boogie is bigger, but that shouldn't effect rehab by 4 or 5 months. I have always seen late October/early to mid November as the target
Yeah, Boogie is bigger, but that shouldn't effect rehab by 4 or 5 months. I have always seen late October/early to mid November as the target
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:03 pm to Crewz
You have to walk a fine line here. You have to protect the team but you also want a player to be rewarded for rehabbing and playing great. I like it.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:07 pm to Crewz
Wish we could bag Kawhi and ditch Boogie.
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:11 pm to SulphursFinest
Why not wish for Michael Jordan in his prime to come to the Pels in a time machine and sign for the minimum?
I mean, if we are wishing for the unrealistic....
I mean, if we are wishing for the unrealistic....
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:13 pm to Crewz
Seems like a very fair deal for the Pels, and it certainly gives Boogie what he deserves. But I'm certain the way Boogie's camp would spin it like "Boogie is a max deal player, and he's already proved that." Not to mention to a lay man it'll look like a $20 mil contract and Boogie may not want the perception even though its not really a $20 mil contract.
Now that LeBron is in LA, what makes you think the Lakers won't push their chips in for Boogie on a one-year max? I mean what have they got to lose with LeBron on a 4-yr deal and Boogie coming off the books next summer? Add that to the fact that Boogie taking a one-yr max tells everyone in the league that regardless of injury, he won't de-value himself
EDIT: saw your explanation of the Lakers cap situation in the other thread. no need to re-explain here
Now that LeBron is in LA, what makes you think the Lakers won't push their chips in for Boogie on a one-year max? I mean what have they got to lose with LeBron on a 4-yr deal and Boogie coming off the books next summer? Add that to the fact that Boogie taking a one-yr max tells everyone in the league that regardless of injury, he won't de-value himself
EDIT: saw your explanation of the Lakers cap situation in the other thread. no need to re-explain here
This post was edited on 7/1/18 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:14 pm to DeionDeion
Lakers don't have the capital for a one-year max for Boogie...even in trading Deng and renouncing Randle...
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:16 pm to DeionDeion
The Lakers were never really interested in Boogie. They tried to sell him on a bargain basement deal. 1 year 12-15 mil. It was a joke. But Boogie's people, correctly, tried to use it as leverage.
The deal could get reported however the Pels and Boogie's people want. When Jrue's deal was first reported, it was with the unlikely incentives. No reason that it can't be reported as 2/60, even though only 20 would be guaranteed, technically
The deal could get reported however the Pels and Boogie's people want. When Jrue's deal was first reported, it was with the unlikely incentives. No reason that it can't be reported as 2/60, even though only 20 would be guaranteed, technically
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:19 pm to Crewz
so how does that work with the cap?
at the end of the season, we see which incentives he reached and that's what counts against towards the luxury tax?
if thats the case wouldnt it be beneficial to announce it as a $20 mil deal in order to use the full MLE now and try to shed Ajinca or Solo at the deadline?
at the end of the season, we see which incentives he reached and that's what counts against towards the luxury tax?
if thats the case wouldnt it be beneficial to announce it as a $20 mil deal in order to use the full MLE now and try to shed Ajinca or Solo at the deadline?
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:22 pm to DeionDeion
Correct me if I am wrong, Crewz, but likely incentives are typically captured in the cap but the unlikely generally are not unless you meet them, yes?
This post was edited on 7/1/18 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:23 pm to DeionDeion
It doesn't matter what is announced. That is all for casual fans. It probably boxes you in to the tax payer exception and the BAE instead of the MLE, but thats fine.
Then, it all gets totaled up after the season and the tax bill comes. Or, it doesn't if he doesn't reach any and you dump Ajinca
Then, it all gets totaled up after the season and the tax bill comes. Or, it doesn't if he doesn't reach any and you dump Ajinca
Posted on 7/1/18 at 8:27 pm to Crewz
got it thanks for the clarification & the info you've passed along
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