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How do we feel about CJ McCollum?
Posted on 1/7/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 1/7/22 at 1:46 pm
I’m struggling with this idea, but the Blazers are absolutely bombing right now and Lillard is now out for a bit too. Something has to give and soon. I feel like that means they either trade CJ to mix things up, or they actually trade Lillard, which points to a rebuild and also trading CJ.
I’ve always wondered what CJ could be without Lillard. I feel he can do a lot more point guard type things if given the chance. And we are a team that looks to have Zion and BI creating a bunch anyway, so CJ wouldn’t have to be the end all be all.
Pro’s: the guy has been absolutely dominant these past few years offensively. 40% type of 3 point shooter that can make off the catch or on his own. Has two years beyond this one on his contract.
Cons: he’s 30, so a bit off our timeline, had some injuries lately, defense and has a very large contract. Making the trade itself is difficult, but as part of a bigger trade, in particular if we send out Josh Hart it can be done. Plus we can bring smaller contracts back into our trade exception to help make things work. For example, a swap of Hart for Covington, where Hart is part of Cj trade and Covington goes into our trade exception.
I don’t know. When looking for really talented guards we could feasibly obtain that are under contract. He’s a guy that has me at least considering.
I’ve always wondered what CJ could be without Lillard. I feel he can do a lot more point guard type things if given the chance. And we are a team that looks to have Zion and BI creating a bunch anyway, so CJ wouldn’t have to be the end all be all.
Pro’s: the guy has been absolutely dominant these past few years offensively. 40% type of 3 point shooter that can make off the catch or on his own. Has two years beyond this one on his contract.
Cons: he’s 30, so a bit off our timeline, had some injuries lately, defense and has a very large contract. Making the trade itself is difficult, but as part of a bigger trade, in particular if we send out Josh Hart it can be done. Plus we can bring smaller contracts back into our trade exception to help make things work. For example, a swap of Hart for Covington, where Hart is part of Cj trade and Covington goes into our trade exception.
I don’t know. When looking for really talented guards we could feasibly obtain that are under contract. He’s a guy that has me at least considering.
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 1:47 pm
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Posted on 1/7/22 at 1:53 pm to PELsu
Should have traded Jrue to Portland for him, rather than the shite return we got from MIL
Posted on 1/7/22 at 2:03 pm to saints5021
It’s very difficult to say what Cj’s cost would truly be because of the size of his deal. It’s a lot easier to imagine if via a full Blazers blowup where they want youth. But it’s also conceivable we could be a go between with the Blazers and let’s say a Pistons sending Jeremy Grant.
Statoransky has to be included, and one of Hart or Graham almost has to be included. Then maybe a couple of our young guys, picks where and if needed.
Our team will get very expensive fast, but we do have one more year of fairly priced Zion. Two years from now, something may have to give but CJ will at least be an expiring and we will hopefully know what we have.
Statoransky has to be included, and one of Hart or Graham almost has to be included. Then maybe a couple of our young guys, picks where and if needed.
Our team will get very expensive fast, but we do have one more year of fairly priced Zion. Two years from now, something may have to give but CJ will at least be an expiring and we will hopefully know what we have.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 4:03 pm to PELsu
If you can get CJ McCollum you have to make the deal. This guy would be perfect with Zion and BI
Posted on 1/7/22 at 4:30 pm to Earthquake
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If you can get CJ McCollum you have to make the deal. This guy would be perfect with Zion and BI
"perfect"?
Jeremi Grant would be a better fit, moving him back to a role that he thrived at better when he wasn't the main guy like he is now.
CJ isn't a good defender. He isnt' terrible, but he certainly isnt' good.
Not that i wouldn't want to add CJ, but at his cost and age i just think there are better options out there.
This post was edited on 1/7/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/7/22 at 4:36 pm to saints5021
Yep.
I wanted him at the time.
Most people on here shite on cj.
I think he would've been great to take the load off of ingram.
He is clutch, can shoot, and will take over at the end of games.
I wanted him at the time.
Most people on here shite on cj.
I think he would've been great to take the load off of ingram.
He is clutch, can shoot, and will take over at the end of games.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 4:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
I wouldn't want to give up graham or hart.
Cj is great but he makes a lot of money and is going to want another deal.
If you could give them jax, kira, naw and a pick I'd do it.
Cj is great but he makes a lot of money and is going to want another deal.
If you could give them jax, kira, naw and a pick I'd do it.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:13 pm to Chalkywhite84
I would give up Graham and NAW along with a few draft pics if that what it takes.
Posted on 1/7/22 at 9:24 pm to Chalkywhite84
Yeah I've never really been I to CJ for this team. When we had Jrue it certainly made more sense. But now?
There's several better options.
There's several better options.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 5:23 am to PELsu
I would love him, however I don't know if I would want him over Graham, simply due to his age and injuries.
To make money work without sending out Graham or Hart, we would have to send our Temple, Sato, Hayes, NAW and Kira.
Not sure he's worth all that, and imo he's not worth sending out Josh for.
To make money work without sending out Graham or Hart, we would have to send our Temple, Sato, Hayes, NAW and Kira.
Not sure he's worth all that, and imo he's not worth sending out Josh for.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 7:01 am to PELsu
Please chill out with the trade talk. The chemistry seems to be heading in the right direction for this team, and we are missing our best player. Most of the pieces are very young and developing. We seem to have a decent coach that makes in game adjustments, call timeouts at the appropriate times, and is not afraid to put someone on the bench for not performing at the desired level.
Just chill and appreciate these guys playing harder for once and hope we get another gem in the draft ( H. Jones).
Just chill and appreciate these guys playing harder for once and hope we get another gem in the draft ( H. Jones).
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:40 am to kellyboy23
Look, I think we all love how hard this team is playing and love what they are trying to do. But we aren’t even in the play in (top 20 out of 30 teams) much less competing for anything. This is far from a finished roster.
Posted on 1/8/22 at 8:50 am to PELsu
Feel good
Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:24 am to Ryan3232
I saw this trade on twitter, what do you guys think? The Pels end up giving up Graham, Hayes, Filler and presumably a pick for McCollum and Larry Nance Jr.
Looking at it for each team, I don't love it, but I don't hate it either, which usually means it's reasonable.
Cleveland gets a cheaper version of Sexton that will be happy coming off the bench as well as a sort of replacement to Rubio in Satoransky and probably a protected pick.
Portland gets either a new running mate for Dame or a new core piece as you hit the reset button.
Pels get a more complete guard and another hard nosed, high IQ multi position player in Nance.
Looking at it for each team, I don't love it, but I don't hate it either, which usually means it's reasonable.
Cleveland gets a cheaper version of Sexton that will be happy coming off the bench as well as a sort of replacement to Rubio in Satoransky and probably a protected pick.
Portland gets either a new running mate for Dame or a new core piece as you hit the reset button.
Pels get a more complete guard and another hard nosed, high IQ multi position player in Nance.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:59 am to TigerinATL
Honestly I only like it for us. Would depend on the picks involved. But Portland is taking a major step back on the court for the right to extend Sexton and Hayes maybe? And I don’t believe that Cleveland is all that excited about trading Sexton. And while trading Rubio may sound like no big deal due to the injury, I think they would want to keep his bird rights. Simply, I don’t think they would trade Sexton for Graham and losing Rubio’s bird rights too makes it slightly worse.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 1/10/22 at 12:00 pm to TigerinATL
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Pels get a more complete guard and another hard nosed, high IQ multi position player in Nance.
deal now. make playin.
looks good to me if trading partners fall for it.
the pels unprotected first 22 to Portland makes this conceivable.
Portland gives their 2022 top 4 protected first to Cleveland. becomes unprotected 23. Cleveland 2nd back if 22 pick to cavs.
some of that to fine tune.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 1/10/22 at 12:09 pm to TigerinATL
I’ve been adamantly anti-CJ since his new contract. If that’s all it takes to get him however, I’d probably just pull the trigger and just hope you can get the value out of him and resign to a better number come 24/25. We’ve shown an aversion to using our cap space to accumulate assets by taking on bad salary and we’ve seen how Free Agency goes when we have space, so why not? What else are we going to spend our money on?
I don’t see why Portland would do that though. CJ is worth more to them than what they are getting in return, which is essentially the right to pay Sexton.
In 23/24 you’ll be paying at least 112m just for CJ, BI, Jonas, and Zion (assuming Zion’s max extension). Filling out the rest of the roster would get interesting for that year.
Why not? If they think someone is going to throw 20/year at Sexton (which is possible), I don’t think they would want to match that. His future in Cleveland is looking like a 6th man role, which Graham can fill at half the cost.
I agree there. I think they value Rubio’s bird rights more than most think.
I don’t see why Portland would do that though. CJ is worth more to them than what they are getting in return, which is essentially the right to pay Sexton.
In 23/24 you’ll be paying at least 112m just for CJ, BI, Jonas, and Zion (assuming Zion’s max extension). Filling out the rest of the roster would get interesting for that year.
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Simply, I don’t think they would trade Sexton for Graham
Why not? If they think someone is going to throw 20/year at Sexton (which is possible), I don’t think they would want to match that. His future in Cleveland is looking like a 6th man role, which Graham can fill at half the cost.
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and losing Rubio’s bird rights too makes it slightly worse.
I agree there. I think they value Rubio’s bird rights more than most think.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 1/10/22 at 12:34 pm to saints5021
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Should have traded Jrue to Portland for him, rather than the shite return we got from MIL
The Milwaukee move was a worthwhile gamble. There was a very real chance Giannis didn't sign the extension. If he had gone, Milwaukee would be horrible.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 12:56 pm to Chalkywhite84
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If you could give them jax, kira, naw and a pick I'd do it.
That aint enough.
Thats your typical Pelicans Talk "i'll trade my bad players plus a pick for your star" trade.
Edit: I want to keep Jaxson but he is increasing his trade value pretty quickly
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/10/22 at 2:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Thats your typical Pelicans Talk "i'll trade my bad players plus a pick for your star" trade.
I agree
it feels like every other conversation this time of year(trade season) involves magical thinking trade ideas.
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