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Hollinger's Pelicans Preview

Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:52 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:52 pm
Let's start by saying that John Hollinger gets a lot of stuff wrong.

With that out of the way, I always appreciate his opinion, because there are few people with his resume who study the league and give expert, objective views.

He's been doing season previews for all 30 teams, and the Pels' preview dropped today. LINK

The TLDR is that he picks us to finish 6th in the West, which I think most of us would agree is reasonable. Since the article sits behind a paywall at The Athletic, I'll provide some extensive exerpts.

quote:

Williamson looked bouncy and svelte in preseason, but he has only played 85 games in his three pro seasons. With one of the most unusual body-athleticism combos in league annals, it remains to be seen whether his lower extremities can handle the forces placed on them night after night.

Williamson, undoubtedly, raises this team’s ceiling substantially. In his All-Star season in 2020-21, he took nearly 12 shots a game at the rim and made 70 percent of them.

And yet … the odd part is that adding Williamson doesn’t change much about the fundamental strengths and weaknesses of this team; he mostly doubles down on what’s already there. The Pelicans were already deep at forward; Williamson plays the four. The Pelicans were already light on shooting; Williamson can’t shoot. And most importantly, the Pelicans were already suspect on defense, and Williamson, for all his offensive talent, has been consistently awful on that end in his brief career.

Two moves in 2021-22 at least helped balance out the equation. The first was the theft of Herb Jones with the 35th pick in the 2021 draft. He proved to be an elite on-ball defender right out of the chute and was one of the only three players to have both steal and block rates above 2.5 percent (joining Matisse Thybulle and Robert Covington). To a lesser extent, the late addition to the rotation of 6-foot pest Jose Alvarado also juiced the defense (plus, watching him was just fun as hell).

The other big decision was the trade for CJ McCollum, which reoriented the roster to add more shooting, and cost a future first and a future second. The Pelicans sent out a good player (Josh Hart) who had a much more favorable contract than McCollum’s three-year, $100 million pact (which now has two years left and was recently extended for another two). Thus, the net effect of this was to give the Pels a short-term upgrade in perimeter shooting at the cost of a lot of future flexibility. We’ll talk more about that in a bit.

The Pels also got a pleasant surprise when their moves cost significantly less draft capital than first imagined. The Los Angeles Lakers’ demise nuked the cost of the Steven Adams-Jonas Valanciunas trade; the top-10 protection on that deal meant the Pelicans got to keep the eighth pick. Meanwhile, making the playoffs sent a first to Charlotte from the Devonte’ Graham trade (yeah, about that…) and kicked a future first from the Milwaukee Bucks to Portland for McCollum.


[Stuff about possible future salary cap problems and skepticism about the CJ extension]

quote:

The bigger reason not to lock in, however, is that the Pelicans don’t really know what they have yet. Does it work with Williamson playing next to fellow masher Valanciunas? Can they guard anybody lining up this way, or do they need to make a trade for a more versatile, switchable center? Where does Ingram’s game fit in next to Williamson? Do they need a real point guard, or can they get by with a McCollum/Ingram/Zion committee approach? If not, is Daniels that point guard? Meanwhile, they also extended Nance Jr., but can he stay healthy? He’s played 81 total games over the past two seasons and has never played more than 67 in a season.

The Pelicans essentially locked in this group as if they were the 2018 Golden State Warriors, a premature victory lap for a roster they haven’t seen on the court. They already painted themselves into this corner once by rushing to extend Adams before realizing he didn’t quite fit and may have done so again.


[Stuff about how we still have flexibility, though, because we have picks we can use to make trades.]

quote:

Regardless of what the expensive guys do, however, the Pelicans have another layer of excitement this season with their youth contingent. Jones is already a locked-in starter; he’ll need to keep developing his shooting to play next to Williamson, but his defense is essential. Alvarado was an incredible find as an undrafted two-way; like Williamson, he needs to convince defenses he can shoot, but few are better at pressuring the ball (or hiding in the corner after a made basket). Murphy, a summer-league Hall of Famer, shot 38.2 percent from 3 in his rookie year; if he ever makes a shot inside the arc, the Pels will have a nice combo forward off the bench.

But the real pearl here may be Daniels. He’s a big guard who can defend one through three, he’s a good ballhandler and passer and a plus athlete, and the pre-draft background on him was excellent. He’s 19 and still needs work — he was an average-to-good player in the G League last season but hardly dominant — so his impact may not be felt for a while. He also has one big question mark: shooting. However, the Pelicans are fortunate to employ perhaps the best shooting coach in the league in Fred Vinson.


quote:

As for 2022-23, the upside is undeniable; if Williamson stays healthy and everything clicks, this team could brute-force its way to 55 wins, a la last year’s Grizzlies. But abundant questions remain — about health, about shooting, about defense. There are too many lineups with three non-shooters and little defensive switchability.

Relative to the last few years, that result still should be a successful season. It’s hard to imagine this team failing to win half its games, which would be its first winning season in five years and only the third since Chris Paul left in 2011. Whatever Williamson’s health turns out to be, he’ll play more games than he did last season, when the team was already pretty good by the end of the year. The overall youth of the roster should be a wind at their backs as well.

On paper, there are eight clear playoff-caliber teams in the West, and this is one of them. There’s a lot of variance in this estimate and some questions about what this looks like going forward, but for 2022-23, the median outcome looks pretty good.


quote:

Prediction: 48-34, sixth in Western Conference
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31590 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:56 pm to
I read the whole thing this morning and for such a negative read on the Pels, almost the entire thing had a negative spin to it, he still has us finishing 6th
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115956 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:58 pm to
Hollinger:

Picks Pels to finish 6th, much of article is overwhelmingly negative or skeptical.

Shocker.

I really really really cannot stand Hollinger. Perhaps my least favorite analyst in basketball.
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
3151 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 2:58 pm to
I feel like thats a pretty fair assessment. I would be ecstatic with the 6th seed in a loaded west
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17858 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

I really really really cannot stand Hollinger. Perhaps my least favorite analyst in basketball.



I don't think he likes us either. Though he clearly does like watching Zion, Herb, and Jose because ... who doesn't?
Posted by LSUSaintsHornets
Based Pelican
Member since Feb 2008
7309 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:08 pm to
I think his evaluation of Trey as a summer league HOF is obnoxious when he had real moments in big games last year. Not even taking into account any buzz from this offseason it seems dismissive. The entire "Does x player fit with Zion?" narrative is also exhausting. Are we to assume Zion fit better with Adams then Jonas? Projection and placement are reasonable I guess.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 3:10 pm
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:14 pm to
quote:


I don't think he likes us either. Though he clearly does like watching Zion, Herb, and Jose because ... who doesn't?



My armchair psychology of Hollinger is he has some unresolved jealousy with Griff.

Cause Griff essentially did what he could not, which is both win a championship AND successfully transition back from analyst to GM. I feel like he has always judged Griff harsher than he should, even when he deserved it.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115956 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:15 pm to
He has made it extremely clear for years that he does not like the Pelicans, their Front Office, and the way they approach things.

He has been crazy negative and derogatory for years and years.

He had to search for things to be negative about and found them.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61513 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:21 pm to
Wow, so much wrongness in one paragraph it's kind of impressive.

quote:

the odd part is that adding Williamson doesn’t change much about the fundamental strengths and weaknesses of this team; he mostly doubles down on what’s already there. The Pelicans were already deep at forward; Williamson plays the four.


That's not odd, you just have some weird vendetta against the Pels that keeps you from being objective. Having a top 5 player is never redundant unless we're talking about olympic teams.

quote:

The Pelicans were already light on shooting; Williamson can’t shoot.


This is going to be proven so wrong it's not even funny. Trey and CJ would be enough to flip things from last year's bad shooting, but you also should see rebounds from 3 for BI and Devonte.

quote:

most importantly, the Pelicans were already suspect on defense, and Williamson, for all his offensive talent, has been consistently awful on that end in his brief career.


Hollinger is supposed to be an advanced stats guru, how he misses on this so badly is just sad. I'm going to predict something pretty unusual but not unprecedented. The Pels are going to have an above average defense (14th or better in DRtg), but the starting 5 will be a few points below that level. Basically the bench defense with Jose, Dyson and Trey will be so good that it will lead to the Pels having a good defense overall. Kind of like how Asik helped push those Bulls teams to a top 5 defense in a bench role.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
115956 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

the odd part is that adding Williamson doesn’t change much about the fundamental strengths and weaknesses of this team; he mostly doubles down on what’s already there. The Pelicans were already deep at forward; Williamson plays the four.



Its a shockingly stupid statement.

"Oh that team is already pretty deep at forward. They shouldn't add Giannis in Free Agency if he wants to go there"
Posted by ThePistol
Lafayette, LA
Member since Mar 2007
1527 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 3:41 pm to
I read the full article this morning. Not only did he underplay Zion’s return (as stated by others), he still talks about the CJ trade, along with his and Nance’s extensions in a negative light. It was shocking to scroll down and then see the projection.
Posted by purplepylon
NOLA & Laffy
Member since Nov 2005
7774 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

Hollinger's


Same Athletic dude that had Guillory tweeting the 3 fire emojis last season when he had us moving the team to Seattle in last season's preview article.
Trash, both of them
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 4:05 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
17858 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:21 pm to
I think this also highlights the difficulty of being an "expert on the NBA." We have already seen some dubious statements pointed out, such as the disrespect for Trey and the impact on his evaluation of our 3-pt shooting. He doesn't really know about Trey's growth at the end of last season (or his physical growth in the offseason), nor has he watched our preseason games and seen how the ball stays high in an improved release.

No one can really keep up with all the details on every NBA team. In addition to the Pels, I try to keep up with the Lakers, but I don't even do that as well as if I were a fan of that team. Other teams? I just see headlines.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278454 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

much of article is overwhelmingly negative or skeptical.



I thought that originally, then read it again. And it is pretty fair & balanced
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31590 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 4:53 pm to
quote:

I thought that originally, then read it again. And it is pretty fair & balanced



I mean that's one way to look at it. Maybe I just dont find the roster flexibility concerns a legit knock on us THIS season or moving forward.

We've always had trouble luring free agents here and probably will continue to struggle with that until we win a championship with Zion and BI. Maybe I'm wrong and those two can lure guys here without winning one combined with players generally loving Willie Green, but I'm willing to bet we still have to use our draft picks to make the necessary additions to be a contender. So, I don't mind locking in guys like CJ or any of our other guys since we finally have a group that wants to be here. And not only that, they're pretty damn good to boot. Sure, we will need to use the Lakers picks to improve through trade, get rid of guys like Graham and JV next year for legit championship pieces but as Hollinger states in the article, this is a huge plus for us and shouldn't really affect our roster management THAT much, especially with the cap on the rise.

I just think there was an overemphasis on this in his critique. His points about our defense and 3point shooting are correct, though we've seen improvements on that in the playoffs and now the preseason.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 5:03 pm
Posted by YungBuck
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2017
1759 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 5:15 pm to
It’s funny how dumb this dude is. Also love how this board all recognizes it

First of regarding shooting, not once does he mention the open looks Z will cause because of how defenses have to swarm to him. Next, BI CJ Graham(catch and shoots though he’s shown he can do it all this preseason) Trey and Jose “I can SHOOT” all will prove this point wrong.

Also regarding defense, this isn’t your Alvin Gentry Pels when the opposing team will score 40 fast break points a night. We will have legit defensive sets, because we will be scoring on a lot of trips down and able to get back to defend.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8836 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:30 pm to
quote:

But the real pearl here may be Daniels. He’s a big guard who can defend one through three, he’s a good ballhandler and passer


Well at least he got this right. I was one of the main ones on here pumping Daniels before the draft. We will finally make up for losing out on Haliburton.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 7:30 pm
Posted by LilWezyAna
BR
Member since Feb 2016
3141 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 7:42 pm to
quote:

It’s funny how dumb this dude is

I honestly don’t know how he still has a platform after saying Rudy Gobert should’ve won MVP 2 years ago
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32505 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:24 pm to
quote:

I really really really cannot stand Hollinger. Perhaps my least favorite analyst in basketball.

Not a Hollinger fan, but Verrier may be worse.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4277 posts
Posted on 10/10/22 at 9:11 pm to
Honestly I thought it was a pretty fair take. This team has so much to like with a number of Swiss army defenders, but it is true we lack a true PG and 3 pt shooting. There is hope that Alvarado can solve the first for stretches and internal improvement and Zion gravity fixes the second. But those problems are fair to highlight.

But this take:

quote:

The Pelicans were already deep at forward; Williamson plays the four.


Is off the mark. The pelicans started Jaxson Hayes against the Suns in the playoffs. That’s not deep. That’s replacing the worst of the 10 starters in that series with a guy that was borderline all NBA when healthy in 20-21. It’s a pretty big fix.
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