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re: Griffin to try to keep AD
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 4/18/19 at 12:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
Dirk had Tyson Chandler running the defense next to him around the time he was either the DPOTY or a high contender.
Just because Chandler’s skills didn’t always lend itself to the boxscore doesn’t mean he didn’t have a huge impact on the Mavs finally putting everything together.
Just because Chandler’s skills didn’t always lend itself to the boxscore doesn’t mean he didn’t have a huge impact on the Mavs finally putting everything together.
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:24 pm to bayarea_ryan
quote:
SF in Marion who couldn't shoot.
8.7 rebounds, career.
Powerful inside.
And decent ft%.
Fwiw his double digits peak rebound years preceeded Dallas.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:47 pm to CelticDog
quote:Not to mention Marion could shoot, more mid-range and inside and he was a great defender.
8.7 rebounds, career.
Powerful inside.
And decent ft%.
Fwiw his double digits peak rebound years preceeded Dallas.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 4/18/19 at 1:52 pm to jmcwhrter
Oh Jrue wants him back--he even said it to ADs face during an interview after the last game of the season.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 2:32 pm to WDcajun
quote:
You quit..and basically wasted 27 mil or so dollars of pay,ruinned the team for a year.wear a thats all folks shirt and all is forgiven .Id rather cut bait and get players with there head screwed on right
Well Dell got fired and not we have Griffin so I would say the season was a waste.
Besides, all would be forgiven when the W's start rolling in.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:14 pm to mylsuhat
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The relationship between AD, his teammates, and the fans seems to be beyond repair IMO
Right until you’re winning games consistently again.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:54 pm to bayarea_ryan
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AD isn't the best player in the world and Dirk won a title with a championship supporting cast. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make
You said the only reason he didn't win more is b/c his wings were atrocious.
I"m simply pointing out that another big man on another team found a way to win a championship, not just win a few games, with Jason Terry as his second fiddle, and a SF that couldn't shoot. I do'nt want to hear the no wings excuse. Jrue is a more than capable wing. There's no reason for AD to only be able to routinely lead his team to 33 wins.
And i loved that Dallas team. Dirk had the perfect role players around him to succeed. I've always been a fan of Terry, Kidd, Marion and Chandler.
Do you think that Dallas team with AD instead of Dirk even sniffs the champshionship series, much less wins it?
What about when Dirk took a team of Terry/Dampier/DArmstrong/young Josh Howard and Devin Harris and washed up Jerry Stackhouse to the Finals?
I"m sick and tired of people talking about AD as a sure fire hall of famer and one of the best 5 players in the nba. If he was, we would have more than 2 winnings seasons the last 7 years. Both Dirk and KG did a shite ton more with their role players than AD ever did.
You look at Dirk and his 2006 team, and KG and his Brandon/Szerbiak teams, and they aren't any better than AD's teams with Jrue. Those two guys consistently made the playoffs.
quote:
That AD isn't a star player?
maybe not, is what my point was. He appears to not be able to hold a candle to what Dirk and KG were able to achieve on their own. He's simply yet to prove he's in the upper echelon.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 3:54 pm to St Augustine
You'll never get an alpha out of AD.
I ain't using 30% of the cap on a Robin.
I ain't using 30% of the cap on a Robin.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 6:59 pm to Atomicc
I think it would be cool just so we could see schmucks like Doug Gottlieb eat his L.A. homer words.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 7:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
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maybe not, is what my point was. He appears to not be able to hold a candle to what Dirk and KG were able to achieve on their own. He's simply yet to prove he's in the upper echelon.
I get what you're saying, but, man, I can think of some games by AD that were unreal. And I don't think he's had the right roster around him. The Dallas pieces have always seemed to fit together well to me.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 7:08 pm to Aussie_Pelican
Batman or robin he was still top 5 scorer.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 7:12 pm to VOR
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I get what you're saying, but, man, I can think of some games by AD that were unreal. And I don't think he's had the right roster around him. The Dallas pieces have always seemed to fit together well to me.
Injuries matter as well.
How much honestly, drastically changes with the trajectory of this franchise if AD, Gordon, Ryno, Evans, Cousins, Pondexter, and Jrue don't all have to deal with significant time lost from injuries in their tenures here(heck, one of our diamond finds ended up getting tragically killed)? Often concurrently with one another?
I mean there was a point it got so bad, pre-Euro League Darius Miller was our point guard.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:11 pm to Atomicc
AD has all the talent in the world but strikes me as lacking in the leadership/intangibles department. If the #1/Zion is on the table, I think you make the trade 10 out of 10 times.
AD is not Kobe or LeBron. I don't see him being the centerpiece of a championship team.
AD is not Kobe or LeBron. I don't see him being the centerpiece of a championship team.
This post was edited on 4/18/19 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:32 pm to Bronc
Hence Griffin apparently making a medical staff a HUGE deal as part of his hiring.
Remember, he was part of the front office in Phoenix when they put together one of the best medical staffs / facilities in the NBA. He apparently pushed the same on Cleveland when he got hired.
Remember, he was part of the front office in Phoenix when they put together one of the best medical staffs / facilities in the NBA. He apparently pushed the same on Cleveland when he got hired.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:42 pm to Unknown_Poster
I think people are overthinking this. To me, its this simple:
What is AD worth, around the league, with 1 year left on his contract?
What would AD be worth with 4 or 5 years left on his contract?
You have an asset that could fetch 80 cents on the dollar with X contract and 120 cents on the dollar with Y contract
Now, you can choose to keep him or build with him, but objectively you would always choose to increase an assets value over selling it at a price less than it is worth.
What is AD worth, around the league, with 1 year left on his contract?
What would AD be worth with 4 or 5 years left on his contract?
You have an asset that could fetch 80 cents on the dollar with X contract and 120 cents on the dollar with Y contract
Now, you can choose to keep him or build with him, but objectively you would always choose to increase an assets value over selling it at a price less than it is worth.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:50 pm to Crewz
Yeah you would but this is a very moot point.
Griffin is full of shite. It’s a PR answer designed to obtain some extra leverage.
AD is gone. It’s a smart, calculated move from him.
But AD will never play another second for us.
Griffin is full of shite. It’s a PR answer designed to obtain some extra leverage.
AD is gone. It’s a smart, calculated move from him.
But AD will never play another second for us.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:58 pm to Fun Bunch
If you hooked Griffin up to a lie detector today, he would tell you that his top priority is to get AD to stay and sign the extension and he believes he has a shot at it. He is fully prepared if AD says no, but it was not BS or spin. He is legitimately going for it.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:00 pm to Crewz
Even if AD is worth more on an extension that means you have to wait 2 years to trade him. Will the buyers be as good in 2 years? Boston is unique in that they have a large asset cache and are still a good playoff caliber team.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:19 pm to TigerinATL
And they have to have $40m worth of non shite to trade with us.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:27 pm to TigerinATL
I don't really like Boston's stuff to be honest. I might be in the minority.
And I am not saying sign him just to trade him. If he wants to extend, I try to make it work with him, but not in a way where I am constantly mortgaging the future.
If AD was locked up for the next 5 years, even the best Boston deal would be laughed at. So, you are selling him for 80 cents on the dollar. If that is what must happen, so be it. But it makes sense to try to get him to sign the extension first.
And I am not saying sign him just to trade him. If he wants to extend, I try to make it work with him, but not in a way where I am constantly mortgaging the future.
If AD was locked up for the next 5 years, even the best Boston deal would be laughed at. So, you are selling him for 80 cents on the dollar. If that is what must happen, so be it. But it makes sense to try to get him to sign the extension first.
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