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re: Give me your top 3 that you want for Pels at 8 spot
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:24 am to Kerchek
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:24 am to Kerchek
quote:
Respectfully disagree.
Ive watched just about everything I can get my hands on regarding AJ. Both his on and off ball defense is horrible.
He REGULARLY gets blown by 1 on 1, is horrible at fighting through screens, lacks any sort of lateral agility, and lacks vertical agility as well.
He's too small to guard 4s and wayyyy to slow to effectively guard 1-3.
Why didn't he measure at the combine? Why didn't he participate in any sort of drills??
Something tells me he is NOT 6'6. Curious about his wingspan as well.
Other prospects at least measured. (Sharpe and Davis). Why didn't AJ?? What's he hiding?
Some fair points here. Specifically the measurements stuff. He’s probably closer to 6’5. The vert is part of the big question though, how much did the injuries hamper him and is it something that’s gone or something that’s going to come back as he continues to get healthier?
I still disagree with your assessment of how bad he is, I think it’s exaggerated. I’m certainly not saying it was good, because it wasn’t, but it wasn’t god awful. But regardless, his fundamentals are horrid and there’s a whole other level or lateral quickness and defensive upside waiting to be unlocked when that form improves.
His stance is to wide, he’s hunched over to much, his slides are way to long, and to further combat these things he plays on the balls of his feet rather than on his toes. He doesn’t change direction well because of these things, doesn't close out well, etc etc. But all things that are fixable.
I think he fights through screens pretty good, but he doesn’t navigate them well. But it’s developing and showed improvement throughout the season, like his off ball defense. It’s an encouraging sign.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:33 pm to Dantheman504
quote:I do agree that I don't want Barnes.
I understand it’s not exactly comparable. But we don’t need another SF. What’s the point of spending 20 mil for a 31 y/o 1 year rental? I’d rather keep Graham for 12mil @ 3 years and actually have a position of need filled. If Sacramento trades Barnes and #4 they would want a better player than LaVert or Graham
quote:You're definitely missing on the financials here.
“we can’t afford to take on Sexton”. But we can afford to pay a 31 y/o 20 mil to sit on the bench and then draft a more expensive player at #4. I laugh when some of y’all say “we can’t afford that” while suggesting we spend 25+ mil at the same time
We can make room for Barnes since he's only signed for next season. We can't afford Sexton because he will be due money after next season when we likely give Zion the max.
Feels like you're laughing at people but you also don't understand the dynamics of paying $20 mil next season only vs paying $20mil the season(s) after that
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:50 pm to shel311
I’m laughing because y’all seem to be under the impression that we could never move other players after next year.
I must have forgot the part where Zion already has the max deal, Val will be here forever, and we can’t create space with Hayes, Nance, Graham, and Kira. AFTER next year.
So we can afford 1 year of Barnes who isn’t a part of our future but it’s dumb to actually sign a young player that could be a long term fit?
I must have forgot the part where Zion already has the max deal, Val will be here forever, and we can’t create space with Hayes, Nance, Graham, and Kira. AFTER next year.
So we can afford 1 year of Barnes who isn’t a part of our future but it’s dumb to actually sign a young player that could be a long term fit?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 12:52 pm to shel311
What financials am I missing on? The ones that didn’t happen yet? Y’all can’t say “we don’t have the money” while creating some future bullshite cap # that hasn’t been set yet.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:00 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Signing Zion to a max is "future bullshite cap numbers" in your opinion?
What financials am I missing on? The ones that didn’t happen yet? Y’all can’t say “we don’t have the money” while creating some future bullshite cap # that hasn’t been set yet.
Zion/CJ/BI then add sexton. Figure out how much just those 4 alone would make. That answers your question. If you want to ignore that or think it's some bullshite cap figures, have at it. But you're just ignoring reality.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 1:03 pm to Dantheman504
quote:If you want to let Nance, Trey, Herb and everyone else go so you can sign a bunch of min contracts to make it work, have at it. But again, you're not working in reality where that simply isn't going to happen.
So we can afford 1 year of Barnes who isn’t a part of our future but it’s dumb to actually sign a young player that could be a long term fit?
Again, tell me how much our Big 3 plus a Sexton or any $25 mil guy would cost us, just those 4. If you don't understand then, then you'll just refuse to see it and there's no reason to discuss further.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:48 pm to shel311
What does a 1 year loan of Harrison Barnes do for us? I’d rather trade for a young player @20 mil and if he makes us better we prepare ourselves to pay the tax.
Our core right now is CJ, BI, Jose, Trey, and Herb. None of those guys are going anywhere. If Zion gets the max and plays like shite then we trade him, maybe Val, Hayes, etccc. If Zion tears up the league and we have Colin Sexton or anyone else helping us compete in the west you pay the damn tax the next year.
Is that easy enough for you to understand? You don’t loan an old arse player @20 mil. You trade for someone young who is a long term fit. If they workout you pay the tax, if they don’t workout it’s because we have a bigger problem with Zion. OR you don’t make the trade at all yet.
Our core right now is CJ, BI, Jose, Trey, and Herb. None of those guys are going anywhere. If Zion gets the max and plays like shite then we trade him, maybe Val, Hayes, etccc. If Zion tears up the league and we have Colin Sexton or anyone else helping us compete in the west you pay the damn tax the next year.
Is that easy enough for you to understand? You don’t loan an old arse player @20 mil. You trade for someone young who is a long term fit. If they workout you pay the tax, if they don’t workout it’s because we have a bigger problem with Zion. OR you don’t make the trade at all yet.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:01 pm to Dantheman504
I've already given my thoughts on Barnes, you're just not keeping up at this point clearly as evidenced by you asking something I already answered.
If we take on another $25 mil ish contract, that core you posted us 100000% being broken up, zero chance they're all here 2-3 years from now.
If we take on another $25 mil ish contract, that core you posted us 100000% being broken up, zero chance they're all here 2-3 years from now.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:25 pm to shel311
We. Pay. The. Tax.
Or things are going terribly wrong. Our window starts next year. We have 1 year to figure that out, would you rather 30 y/o expiring or a younger proven talent that actually fits? This question doesn’t include the obvious answer of keeping the current roster.
Or things are going terribly wrong. Our window starts next year. We have 1 year to figure that out, would you rather 30 y/o expiring or a younger proven talent that actually fits? This question doesn’t include the obvious answer of keeping the current roster.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:26 pm to Dantheman504
You're not understanding this man. The value of getting Barnes in the deal IS THAT HIS CONTRACT EXPIRES. We get the #4 pick and get off of DG's salary long term. Taking on Barnes is just to make the salaries work, but the value would be in him expiring at the end of the year. Because yes we could afford it THIS YEAR, but next year when Zion's extension kicks in, that's when we'll be looking at the luxury tax and having that expiring money coming off the books would give us breathing room to have options for other small improvements.
The problem with the deal isn't our compensation, because that's an incredible deal for the Pels. The problem would be for Sacramento, as I don't think they're getting enough value in this deal to drop from #4 to #8.
The problem with the deal isn't our compensation, because that's an incredible deal for the Pels. The problem would be for Sacramento, as I don't think they're getting enough value in this deal to drop from #4 to #8.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:30 pm to RUFshreve
Sacramento isn’t doing that deal.
I already answered everything you just said. We don’t need “breathing room” or “small improvement”. We need to compete.
I already answered everything you just said. We don’t need “breathing room” or “small improvement”. We need to compete.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:04 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
Our window starts next year.
Our window for acquiring that 20-30M/year guy in addition to our Bi/Zion core ended when we got CJ. He's that guy you want Sexton to be.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Exactly
Our window for acquiring that 20-30M/year guy in addition to our Bi/Zion core ended when we got CJ. He's that guy you want Sexton to be.
There's no world where we sign another dude and go way into the tax, it's just not going to happen.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:29 pm to RUFshreve
quote:That basically sums it up.
You're not understanding this man
Posted on 5/29/22 at 3:08 am to shel311
Absolute dog water response. You should be ashamed of yourself. I expected at least 2-3 paragraphs of rebuttal.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 7:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah I was a big fan of adding Sexton before we got CJ and Graham tbh.
I still think that Sexton, Zion, and Ingram could have worked. Nance literally said Sexton and Ingram are the 2 hardest workers he’s ever been around and the dude played with Kobe and Lebron. That sounds like the exact type of guy who would fit in with this group.
However, we have CJ now and as a result the money likely won’t work and, in addition, I don’t think it’s as good of a fit anymore. We need a bigger, less ball dominant guard like a Huerter, Ochai, or B Math.
Unless we trade up and go get Ivey. That would be workable bc he has decent size and transcendent athleticism. That’s the only ball dominant guy I’d be okay trying to fit on this roster right now.
I still think that Sexton, Zion, and Ingram could have worked. Nance literally said Sexton and Ingram are the 2 hardest workers he’s ever been around and the dude played with Kobe and Lebron. That sounds like the exact type of guy who would fit in with this group.
However, we have CJ now and as a result the money likely won’t work and, in addition, I don’t think it’s as good of a fit anymore. We need a bigger, less ball dominant guard like a Huerter, Ochai, or B Math.
Unless we trade up and go get Ivey. That would be workable bc he has decent size and transcendent athleticism. That’s the only ball dominant guy I’d be okay trying to fit on this roster right now.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 7:15 am
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:47 am to Dantheman504
quote:Not much left to say, you missed the mark. 3 or 4 posters told you you missed the mark, echoed what I said.
Absolute dog water response. You should be ashamed of yourself. I expected at least 2-3 paragraphs of rebuttal.
It is what it is.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:49 am to shel311
To attempt to get this back on tracks, I go Sochan, Daniels, Mathurin. In that order
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:55 am to CP3forMVP
How come Sochan over Daniels for you? Just curious
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:57 am to CP3forMVP
Sharpe or Ivey if they are available or somehow trade up. Daniels or Mathurin tied for me.
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