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re: Give me your bottom 3 that you DO NOT want the Pels to take at 8 spot

Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:18 pm to
What's wrong with agbaji?

Don't think I'd take him at 8 but he shoots the 3 well.

He will be one of those steady starter types.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:26 pm to
I’m just not a fan of the 22 year old player who’s only good at perimeter shooting and plays good defense but not elite. He’s not a good ball handler, not a good playmaker, doesn’t attack the rim. He just screams role player off the bench for his career. I don’t think any of these guys are going to be huge busts but I’d rather go for the younger guys with similar numbers and skill sets but much younger to where you believe there’s a better chance they exceed Abajis skill sets and abilities by the time they’re 22.


If we had a pick in the late teens I’d consider him. But like you said at 8 I wouldn’t be a huge fan of that decision.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 5:27 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:32 pm to
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He will be one of those steady starter types.


On a good team?

What’s that mean exactly? Who is your Comp for him
Posted by RUFshreve
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Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 5:33 pm to
He's most likely a role player for most of his career. Not a bad player, just not someone you consider in the top 10. After the lottery, then yeah.
Posted by DLBalla
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:16 pm to
Desmond Bane seems like the closest comp for Agbaji.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:06 pm to
Bane showed a lot more off the dribble ability and playmaking. Bane averaged 3.9 asts, Agbaji averaged 1.6
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:32 pm to
I don’t see bane

I see more of a Pat Connaughton type. Gerald Henderson
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:34 pm to
Ochai isn’t your typical 22 year old in the draft. He’s only played ball since age 16 and he has elite athleticism.

He’s a perfect win now fit on these Pels if Ingram, CJ and Zion are playing.

I get the sentiment of not wanting to pick him at 8 though. Trading back with Charlotte might make some sense if we target him.

I’m a bit worried that one day these nba teams will wise up though and stop taking these ready made guys in the late teens and 20’s instead of repeatedly drafting raw busts that can barely speak in interviews.

Patty C is actually a nice comp tbh. I think that’s probably his floor rather than his ceiling though.

Kipsert went 15 last year and is older than Ochai. Has been playing since a young age, and has below average nba athleticism.

Picking Ochai at 12,13 really wouldn’t be a bad play.

What’s the point of having arguably 4 all star level players if we aren’t trying to surround them with appropriate fitting role players?

Dallas literally just made the Western Conference finals with 2 Ochai like players playing 40 mins a night in Dorian Finney Smith and Reggie Bullock.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 10:35 pm
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:44 pm to
Go back to saints talk and be terrible
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7751 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 12:51 am to
Lol sorry for liking Burrow and defending Ochai as a solid pick? Get a grip and contribute some actual independent thought instead of worrying about which likable players I like.

You know who also is a key part of a team 1 game away from the finals?

Max Strus. Another guy that plays a key role around stars. And yet another guy, that Ochai can model his game after and arguably be better than.
Posted by RUFshreve
Shree'pote
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:41 am to
Agree he will have a good career and be a good pick for someone, but again that team will likely be someone outside the lottery. He just doesn't have the upside to warrant a lottery pick. We'll have plenty of chances to draft decent role players in future years with our own picks. This year we lucked out with the Lakers gifting us a mid lottery pick. We have to use that on someone who has serious upside.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:46 am to
quote:

What’s the point of having arguably 4 all star level players if we aren’t trying to surround them with appropriate fitting role players?


I think the point is there are more well rounded players to be had at 8. Guys that have a high floor, like Agbaji but for other reasons.

Take Dyson Daniels for example, imagine if he becomes say a 36-37% three point shooter. You have a guy that can shoot the ball, a guy that can get into the paint, a guy that can initiate the offense some, a guy that can be a playmaker with the ball in his hands, a guy that’s a quality defender, can defend multiple positions, high level rebounder for his size and position, etc etc.

I like Agbaji, and honestly wouldn’t hate it if we traded back, picked up future assets, and took him depending on who is available when we pick…BUT Agbaji shoots from distance and defends, and that’s about it, and I think that’s one reason he’s not viewed higher.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 8:57 am to
watching memphis play, they have a bench full of guys who can carry an offense for short bursts, play good defense, and can start for a few games without a drop off

if Daniels is one of those kind of guys then that’s who I want
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
288298 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:25 am to
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Dallas literally just made the Western Conference finals with 2 Ochai like players playing 40 mins a night in Dorian Finney Smith and Reggie Bullock.


What about the team that beat them

Andrew Wiggins 1.1
Otto porter 1.3
Curry 1.7
Kuminga 1.7
Igoudala 1.9
Klay 1.11
Moody 1.14
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33791 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:56 am to
I agree that agjabi does seem to have a ceiling.

He reminds me of a guy who will hit his 3's, play decent defense, and make the right play.

8 is too high to take him but he will become a solid player.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55807 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:30 am to
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Kuminga 1.7


A team like the warriors who is also trying to win now went for the youngest guy in the draft who many may have thought would take a few years to contribute in big games is playing significant minutes in the playoffs and has now helped his team make the finals. Kuminga is a great example on how stupid it is to just pick the older experienced guys because you think you need to pick the polished players to win trophies now. Great talents will develop and surpass the talents of the win now average role player types. Especially if they already have skill sets that are valuable from the jump (like Kuminga with his defense)
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 11:35 am
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:37 am to
One thing I don’t like is a lot of people seem to be happy trading back in order to justify taking a lesser player. If you actually get worthwhile value from moving back like they did last year, sure. But I don’t see the value in trading back this year. I’d rather trade up or just pick someone at 8. I don’t care if they’re all similar 3&D guys, get the one that fits best instead of the one that’s leftover.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
288298 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:38 am to
Ya, but Kispert got 25mpg on a 35win team
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 4:47 pm to
yes they need to get their guy right here and now. Nothing is guaranteed in the future including another lottery pick. They have plenty of ammo to move up if needed. I’d really like to see them be aggressive this time.

take a swing. It’s a good time to do it. The rookie class last year makes this possible
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15778 posts
Posted on 5/29/22 at 5:43 pm to
quote:

One thing I don’t like is a lot of people seem to be happy trading back in order to justify taking a lesser player. If you actually get worthwhile value from moving back like they did last year, sure. But I don’t see the value in trading back this year. I’d rather trade up or just pick someone at 8. I don’t care if they’re all similar 3&D guys, get the one that fits best instead of the one that’s leftover.


I don’t mind moving back if you get good value, but I feel you could potentially move up for good value, and land a player that’s in a tier above where we pick now. Imagine if you could get to 4, 5, or 6 and land Ivey, Murray, it seems like Dyson Daniels may have moved up above our pick, take a swing with Sharpe.

I think the value of the player you select could be higher than what you give up to get said player.
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