re: George Karl talking about Jrue Holiday chatter

Those Porters are made wrong. It's gonna take a while for me to not feel like his body is a ticking time bomb.

I'd give them 13 before Hart

I'm high on him as a player. I just expect his back or knee to break and I can't live with the constant fear of injury that him and Zion would give.

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I guess I am higher on Porter than everyone else here

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The majority of people are high on him. Every time you watch the Nuggets play its like the announcers bust out a tape recorded and play the same commentary every time. Even Joel does it. "I really like this kid. If he stays healthy he's going to be something special."

Good for him if he becomes a star, I just dont see it yet.

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I guess I am higher on Porter than everyone else here. I think a Zion/MPJ/BI pairing would be absolute lightning in a bottle with the right coach.

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Given the reputation he is amassing, probably in more ways than one...


I do like Porter and would 100% take a chance since he is the sort of asset you want in a Jrue trade. One where if it doesn't work he will retain some strong value barring catastrophic injury.

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I think the mark on him right now is the injury history, which doesn't seem to be a concern going forward, and his comments in the playoffs, which were stupid.

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While I hope you’re right for this kid’s sake, I think it’s a little premature to say his health is no longer a concern. Greg Oden played 61 games his sophomore season. MPJ had 18 DNPs this season en route to 55 games. I’m not saying he’s Greg Oden, but we have seen chronically injured players put together a “full season” before. Doesn’t mean the health concerns are gone.

I’m rooting for him. He’s an exciting player to watch. But the injuries coupled with the attitude make him a risk. I’m good with him being Denver’s risk. Maybe in a few years I’ll look like an idiot. But if I’m David Griffin there are too many red flags to give up Jrue for him.

sign and trade has to be a 1 for 1.. can't include other players so no MPJ

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Carter is the perfect 5 next to Zion and would strongly improve our defense. With #4 grab Killian or Deni.

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The same Wendell Carter that has zero outside game?
So we don't want Jarrett Allen, but we are alright with Carter? We could probably get Allen from the Nets trading JJ and just a little bit more.

Also, y'all worried about MPJ's injury history, Carter has played in 87 games in two years, and has missed 59 due to injury.

and there's this:

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When interviewed by the Chicago Sun-Times about talking to Head Coach Jim Boylen about the possibility of playing the power forward rather than the center position, Carter responded, “Absolutely, Coach [Jim Boylen] understands that I’m a great defender no matter who I’m guarding, but he also understands that one of the reasons we’re in the black is because of my size because I’m not as tall. I mean, I’m more mobile than most fives, so I’m able to be up, slide, all that.”

He also added, “I’ve been playing the four all of my life. .?.?. It’s definitely a conversation I’m going to bring up, for sure, but as of right now, I’m just trying to make it work with where I’m at.’’

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He doesn't want to be a 5.

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The same Wendell Carter that has zero outside game?
So we don't want Jarrett Allen, but we are alright with Carter? We could probably get Allen from the Nets trading JJ and just a little bit more.

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You don't necessarily have to chuck up a lot of threes to be a good fit next to Zion. Wendell does a lot of the little things right on both ends of the floor and I like how he projects based on his IQ and awareness. Carter would absolutely shine in the PNR with Zion being the excellent passer that WCJ is.

I don't really have a problem with Jarrett Allen the player either. The main thing that worries me about Allen is he is going to get paid after next season and I don't really want to make a sizable financial commitment to a rim runner when we are still trying to figure out the pieces around Zion. To me, it's more about how to more efficiently spend money on filling that role. Do you prefer to pay Allen slightly less than a Capella type contract to dunk and block shots or give smaller contracts to a Tristan Thompson or Hassan Whiteside and use the savings to aid in getting another creator. All that said, that's just how I would navigate our budget, but I wouldn't be disappointed bringing in Allen in the least bit.

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Also, y'all worried about MPJ's injury history, Carter has played in 87 games in two years, and has missed 59 due to injury.

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I would say MPJ's back scares are a little different than the injuries that have forced Carter to miss the most of his games so far -- thumb surgery and a sprained ankle -- on a team having no incentive to rush guys back from injury.

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And you pretty much can’t pick Okongwu in that scenario. It has to be someone like Hayes

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I’d think long and hard about taking that trade only if Hayes is there to be picked. I think that’s fair value for Jrue considering the time left on his deal. Plus we can trade Zo for other future assets. Keep building the war chest for when that superstar hits the block....