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Dyson the defensive "wizard" - Sam Vecenie in The Athletic
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:37 am
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:37 am
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I absolutely agree that Dyson needs to get more selfish on the offensive end of the floor.
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Daniels is the best defensive player on the perimeter in this rookie class, bar none. He is a wizard. It’s actually hard to overemphasize how good he is on that end for a teenager. The Pelicans have on-ball defensive aces such as Herb Jones and Jose Alvarado, and the team is already giving Daniels the critical late-game, on-ball assignments knowing he’s the best option.
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Think about how ridiculous that is. The Pelicans — the best, deepest team in the Western Conference — are using a rookie as a defensive stopper late in games against some of the best scorers the league has to offer, and he’s finding real success comparably. Here’s the thing though: Daniels’ on-ball defense is awesome, and it’s not even the best part of his defensive repertoire. He’s one of the best transition defenders in the league because he has this rare sense of how to defend two-on-one situations and elite hand-eye coordination when going up for early blocks and strips. And rotationally, his instincts as a scramble defender are staggering. He constantly finds the right hole to plug, and his size and length plus willingness to fight gives him every chance to switch onto multiple different player types and not be placed into a mismatch.
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I’m not exaggerating when I say there are few better, more versatile defenders I’ve seen across the entire NBA this season. People rightfully melted down about Jones last year on the defensive end, and he was one of the more rookie-ready defenders we’ve seen in the league in a few years. Daniels is better. He’s the kind of guy the Pelicans are going to be able to weaponize in the playoffs as a defensive stopper against the league’s best.
In part, they’ve been able to do that because Daniels has been just proficient enough on offense to where teams have to pay attention to him. He has made 39 percent of his 3s and is a tremendous, unselfish passer as a driver and ball-screen distributor, averaging nearly three assists on more than 2-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio over his last 17 games. Undeniably, he’s the guy teams will choose to sag off to try to slow down Zion Williamson’s drives and post-ups, but he’s such a quick processor and ball mover that he’s going to keep defenses in rotation as they scramble to get back into position. On some level, I think Daniels is probably going to have to get a bit more selfish, purely just to prove he is capable of being a threat on the court. He has a tendency to just make the right play and move the ball along all the time. Eventually, teams will scout for that and force him to beat them. It might help him to get proactive ahead of that before teams start to fully adjust against him. For as long as he can keep that up, Daniels will keep eating into the minutes of the more veteran players above him.
I absolutely agree that Dyson needs to get more selfish on the offensive end of the floor.
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:53 am to GOP_Tiger
I totally agree. He has a good stroke and has shown he can hit shots, he just needs to take more of them. Fantastic talent…can’t wait to see him evolve over the next few years
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:54 am to BlckGold1879
Because of how terrible Herb has been shooting, I actually think it is time for Dyson to replace him in the starting lineup.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:56 am to GOP_Tiger
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I absolutely agree that Dyson needs to get more selfish on the offensive end of the floor.
At the moment, I think the Pels plan to build this team around 4 players. Dyson should be one of them. Some of the rest of the group might hang on...most won't.
Hopefully, whatever we end up doin' at the "5"...he will be a keeper... and will make this team a serious threat to win it all, for years to come.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 10:59 am to GOP_Tiger
The thing with Dyson is I actually feel pretty good about his ability to put the ball on the floor and get into the paint, he may not make it but I'm pretty sure teams aren't going to scheme to allow open looks at the rim. Pressuring the rim is never a bad thing, especially when we're an above average team on the offensive boards.
Dyson had a string there when he first started getting consistent minutes, he was averaging 5 FGA's in 24 minutes a night. Since then that number has dipped to just 2 FGA's in 16 minutes.
Dyson had a string there when he first started getting consistent minutes, he was averaging 5 FGA's in 24 minutes a night. Since then that number has dipped to just 2 FGA's in 16 minutes.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:00 am to GOP_Tiger
I wasn't sure what to think of the Dyson pick at first...Where I became sold on him was ironically the game where he bricked the game clinching free throws against the Lakers.
He played excellent minutes to help bring us back, including insanely good defense on Lebron in one on one situations. That's incredible for a 19 year old.
And the thing that doesn't get talked about as much- his rebounding is awesome and will help us eventually transition to more Zion at the 5 lineups.
He played excellent minutes to help bring us back, including insanely good defense on Lebron in one on one situations. That's incredible for a 19 year old.
And the thing that doesn't get talked about as much- his rebounding is awesome and will help us eventually transition to more Zion at the 5 lineups.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:05 am to DallasTiger45
Rebounding is probably Dyson's biggest advantage over Herb currently.
I actually think he moves his feet a little better to and avoids reaching and picking up cheap fouls.
He's a freaking stud.
Without Zion, I'd like to see him get more aggressive on offense now, kind of like Herb has been doing.
I actually think he moves his feet a little better to and avoids reaching and picking up cheap fouls.
He's a freaking stud.
Without Zion, I'd like to see him get more aggressive on offense now, kind of like Herb has been doing.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:15 am to GOP_Tiger
Damn, I remember when people melted down in the comments section when I suggested Dyson was already a better defender than Herb early in the season.
Now we have well respected nba analysts writing articles about the same topic.
Now we have well respected nba analysts writing articles about the same topic.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:35 am to GOP_Tiger
He is Herb Jones without the fouling with Josh Hart's guard rebounding skills.
He is just a phenom in those two areas and it cant be understated.
He also sees the floor as a passer as well as a young Lonzo, but without the fear of attacking the inside of the arc to create for others.
He is just a phenom in those two areas and it cant be understated.
He also sees the floor as a passer as well as a young Lonzo, but without the fear of attacking the inside of the arc to create for others.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:47 am to Bronc
The biggest thing I notice is how good he is at backpedaling while someone is driving right at him. Rarely gets a foul called on him in that situation and is good at swatting the ball away there, too.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 11:58 am to GOP_Tiger
I was all in on DD. Thought he would be the best defensive player in the draft. I said in the draft threads he’s the first person to finally drop to us that I was super high on. He will be better than Herb on D which is no small feat.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 11:59 am
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:13 pm to CP3forMVP
quote:He does a good job driving, but has not been good at all at finishing at the rim yet. He needs to develop a floater.
The thing with Dyson is I actually feel pretty good about his ability to put the ball on the floor and get into the paint, he may not make it but I'm pretty sure teams aren't going to scheme to allow open looks at the rim. Pressuring the rim is never a bad thing, especially when we're an above average team on the offensive boards.
Dyson had a string there when he first started getting consistent minutes, he was averaging 5 FGA's in 24 minutes a night. Since then that number has dipped to just 2 FGA's in 16 minutes.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:14 pm to Venelar
quote:He is very good at staying in front of players.
The biggest thing I notice is how good he is at backpedaling while someone is driving right at him. Rarely gets a foul called on him in that situation and is good at swatting the ball away there, too.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:18 pm to NOSHAU
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He does a good job driving, but has not been good at all at finishing at the rim yet. He needs to develop a floater.
His offense, like Herb, is ultimately what will define him as either a utility player or a "guy" in this league.
Dyson/Herb work on our team as starters cause when healthy you have 4 other legit 20ppg capable guys.
80% of other teams they would be bench utility defenders that are behind guys in the rotation that bring more necessary offense. Which isn't a knock, nut just illustrates that is an area Dyson will need to level up quite a bit
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:36 pm to Bronc
Out of trey dyson and herb. Herb may be the odd man out unless we can get him on a cheap long term contract. We need trey's shooting and dyson has much more potential while giving the same defense as herb
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:38 pm to NOSHAU
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He does a good job driving, but has not been good at all at finishing at the rim yet. He needs to develop a floater.
He has a floater. It was actually one of his biggest strengths as a prospect. He just hasnt used it much in the Nba. He needs to get back to using it
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:38 pm to Bronc
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80% of other teams they would be bench utility defenders that are behind guys in the rotation that bring more necessary offense. Which isn't a knock, nut just illustrates that is an area Dyson will need to level up quite a bit
JMO...The Pels took Dyson at #8 for one reason. His defense. His offensive shortcomings are fairly obvious. The Pels hope he can make a serious leap offensively but even if he doesn't, the Pels think they have several ways to "work around" his offensive problems. Got a ways to go...but he's only 19 & will be a very important part of the Pels' future success.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:39 pm to Balsamic_duck
Well if he doesn't show that can competently hit open shots, no one is going to throw big money at him. His ceiling on salary is always going to tied to his abilities as a shooter.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:41 pm to supe12sta12z
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Well if he doesn't show that can competently hit open shots, no one is going to throw big money at him. His ceiling on salary is always going to tied to his abilities as a shooter.
True. Idk what happened but every aspect of his shot is worse than last year. Even his FT% is down big. He is going to be matisse thybulle 2.0 if he cant hit shots
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:41 pm to supe12sta12z
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Well if he doesn't show that can competently hit open shots, no one is going to throw big money at him. His ceiling on salary is always going to tied to his abilities as a shooter.
The same goes for Herb, and increasingly I think Herb may not be as difficult to retain(if we want to) as once thought. As good a defender as he and Dyson are, you really need the right roster with a lot of offense to utilize them without hurting the offensive side of the ball.
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