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Posted on 5/18/25 at 6:38 pm to
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 5/18/25 at 6:38 pm to
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The day after the lottery I had it: Knueppel
Maluach
Johnson
Boyles
Queen
Fears


People don’t seem to like this list, for discussion sake what do you not like?
Posted by New City Champ
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 4:02 am to
No one likes Jakucionis?

Feels like we've been looking for a PG forever. He's got great size, great passing instincts and a slick offensive game. Not an explosive athlete but then neither is Halliburton...
Posted by Balsamic_duck
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:19 am to
Egor Demin is apparently flying up draft boards. Measured really well at the combine and apparently has been killing workout and interviews.

Had an up and down year at BYU but his skill set is intriguing at 6’9.5

Thomas Sorber is also very interesting to me. Measured 6’9 barefoot and a 7’6 wingspan. He was a monster on defense and flashed some nice passing. Has a little Bam to him.

Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:29 am to
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No one likes Jakucionis?


Couple months ago he was being mocked in the 4-6 range now he’s in the 10-12 range. Not sure why the drop.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:37 am to
I can understand why teams would fall in love with Demin. Floor seems high and ceiling seems a little low.

Posted by The Estimator
New Orleans
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 10:25 am to
I want Jakucionis.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 10:35 am to
Prospect fatigue is part of it. He started out super hot with some insane efficiency and advanced stats then he injures his forearm and was never the same. His shooting and efficiency dipped and his other deficiencies started to pop. Ala turnovers, inefficient transition shooting, and low off ball sample size to go along with his inability to stay in front of quicker guards soured a lot of people on his potential.

Pros is that he can play 1-3 dude to positional size but the con in that is that he while he can play off ball, his best and what makes him special came when he was playing point guard and onball. I believe something insane like over 70% of his deep ball was onball and he took a lot of difficult ones as well.

So it comes down to do you believe he's the player pre-injury which is a top 5 prospect or do you believe he's more of the player he showed post-injury which would be closer to 10.

Either way, I have no clue how we'll draft since I can see most guys all the way out to the 12 being interchanged. All I know is that we need a PG, Shooter, and rim protector. Same needs as last season.
Posted by Macintosh
Leveraging Salaries University
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 11:00 am to
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Either way, I have no clue how we'll draft since I can see most guys all the way out to the 12 being interchanged.
this. That’s why I’m not fixed on a certain prospect as a must get. Maybe I’m just less enthusiastic but like you said there’s a bunch of guys we can go for and I wouldn’t be upset because really 3-15 can all be interchanged.
This post was edited on 5/21/25 at 11:01 am
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 12:51 pm to
Jakucionis is a mixed bag for me. There's some parts of his game that I think will translate really well then there's other parts that are a massive red flag. I think his lack of quickness and explosion hampered him at the college level and it will even more so at the NBA level. And because he was stifled trying to get to the rim so often he takes a ton of the middle range jumpers this board hates, and he isn't overwhelmingly efficient at them. His shot chart is pretty tough too, something like 70%+ of his threes came off the dribble. He was really good spotting up but didn't do it a ton. Even his playmaking has a shadow over it with the turnover percentage.

I don't dislike him, but I don't love him either. I think he's an end of the lottery type guy and taking him at seven is a reach.
Posted by New City Champ
Member since Jul 2018
601 posts
Posted on 5/21/25 at 4:59 pm to
Some fair criticisms. As noted, he played much better before his injury. And he has a track record in Europe against pretty good competition.

He is not an explosive athlete. He would be much more in the Haliburton mode than the Morant. Halliburton fell to the late lottery because of concerns over his athleticism and wonky jump shot. But the jumper, as it does for many college prospects, improved in the pros. And his elite feel and IQ for the PG position made Halliburton into a top-5 guy at the position.

I think Jakucionis has shown similar traits, both at Illinois and in Europe. Is he a "can't miss" guy? No. But I think he's shown enough to project as a guy who could run your franchise for the next 10-12 years. Plus, he has the size and smarts to play off the ball as well, which would mesh with Zion and Dejounte.

My first choice in our range is Knueppel. I don't think any of the centers are worth taking at 7. If we were taking a center, I kind of like Sorber more than Maluach, but I get either one is going to be some help for our interior defense.

My wildcard is Queen. His athletic testing was crap, but he sure look like he can play ball. I wouldn't be upset if they took a swing with him. Best case he's a skilled, non-rim protecting big like Sengun or Sabonis, which is the kind of big I prefer. Or a Zach Randolph, one of my all-time favorite players. But his combine scores were really bad. Not sure how much weight to give those.
Posted by NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 5:29 pm to
Man im like polar opposite of OP, I don't even really like anyone talked about on the 1st page. But i love the middle of this draft and i think our pick kicks that off just about, so in my head we should have our pick of some great choices. But its like all bigs(which i love), and the only guard i love is Jakucionis until Pettiford in the 20s. So i think we should probably take Jaku if there and try and trade back in somewhere and get a big.
Theres so many I like, namely Queen, Boyles, Sorber, Newell, Essengue, Fleming, Raynaud, Lendeborg, Kalkbrenner, Wolf, Yang. A lot of those in the 2nd round. For some reason i think Yang could be the steal of the 2nd round, hes like a just born giraffe version of jokic. Are my spidey senses malfunctioning there?
edit: i do love Jace Richardson G too, that had escaped me
This post was edited on 5/21/25 at 5:33 pm
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15529 posts
Posted on 5/23/25 at 4:55 pm to
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He is not an explosive athlete. He would be much more in the Haliburton mode than the Morant. Halliburton fell to the late lottery because of concerns over his athleticism and wonky jump shot. But the jumper, as it does for many college prospects, improved in the pros. And his elite feel and IQ for the PG position made Halliburton into a top-5 guy at the position.

I think Jakucionis has shown similar traits, both at Illinois and in Europe. Is he a "can't miss" guy? No. But I think he's shown enough to project as a guy who could run your franchise for the next 10-12 years. Plus, he has the size and smarts to play off the ball as well, which would mesh with Zion and Dejounte.


Those are fair points, but he's Haliburton extremely light. I think you could project him as a guy who could run your franchise, but you could also project as a guy who kind of runs your offense into the ground with his turnover issues, his shot selection, etc. Personally, I wouldn't trust him to be my lead guard. The assist numbers for example, Haliburton was a better passer and turned the ball over considerably less. Kind of like I talked about in my original post his lack of quickness, explosion, and ability to separate are a concern as well, and only magnify if you want him to run your offense.

To kind of go hand in hand with that, the shooting numbers definitely reflect the injury, but there's some discussion out there as well that scouts feel the added attention he drew once teams figured out he was the guy they needed to stop are a reflection of the shooting numbers as well. He really struggled to get his shot off when teams started throwing their best defender at him.

His lack of quickness and burst really show themselves on the defensive end too.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/23/25 at 6:02 pm to
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do love Jace Richardson G too, that had escaped me


Measurements really hurt him. He is 6'0 as a SG. He is dropping fast. Might be a late 1st now..
Posted by Macintosh
Leveraging Salaries University
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:41 pm to
Yeah he’s way too small and not crazy athletic enough. He might make for a good bench player tho if the shot is still like it was in college
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 5/24/25 at 8:37 am to
I am genuinely curious about where The Florida PG is graded? The guy took a team full of journeymen to a NC. I know nothing about him other than that so please educate me if he’s not a good prospect for some reason.
Posted by NannerB_EazyPellyBoi
Member since Sep 2020
144 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 8:38 am to
He plays bigger than his size though. He's pretty well built already and i see him adding strength. He's super smooth and has great balance and control. He moves like a small Ant Edwards kinda, he's explosive and covers a lot of ground with purposeful moves and great at getting shots off, and a good connector. Im fine with a 20s evaluation or wherever, but i think he's a player!
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10077 posts
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:32 am to
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He is not an explosive athlete. He would be much more in the Haliburton mode than the Morant. Halliburton fell to the late lottery because of concerns over his athleticism and wonky jump shot. But the jumper, as it does for many college prospects, improved in the pros. And his elite feel and IQ for the PG position made Halliburton into a top-5 guy at the position.



Haliburton was more athletic than Jaku and a much better defender. Haliburton fell because of his shot mechanics and he was really skinny/weak, not a lack of athleticism.
This post was edited on 5/24/25 at 10:33 am
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