re: Center Trade Options

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Yeah because if there's anything we learned the last few years its that having Dyson Daniels, Herb, and a shite center really helped against rim protection.

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Dyson and Herb on the court together is really difficult to make work b/c of their terrible offense.


Look at 3 years ago
Top 4 lineups played
CJ/BI/Herb/Zion/JV 116.2 DRtg -1.1 Net
CJ/BI/Herb/Zion/Larry 110.9 DRtg -4.4 Net
CJ/Trey/Herb/Zion/JV 109.1 DRg 1.0 Net
CJ/BI/Herb/Trey/JV 96.4 DRtg +15.7 Net

Crazy how that one lineup without a certain lazy fatass is so good defensively. Crazy how the same thing was seen this past year too.

and the Dyson/Herb/BI/Zion/JV lineup was a +20.7 NetRtg with a 113.9 DRtg
Dyson/Herb/CJ/Trey/Zion had a 101.6 DRtg and a 16.3 Net




I've been saying it for like 5 years now, Zion has to suck it up and play the 5. His fat arse is big enough to body anyone in the league defensively, and when he can do this the mismatch on the offensive side is tremendous.
You see the lineup 3 years ago with Zion at the 5 being very successful, and you saw it this past year as well.

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Yes, a cheap center is what we need haha.

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Who's the center for the Celtics, the team that had the 2nd best rim protection in the league last year, and the best the year before? You probably can't even name their 5 last year, and the year before was the uber athletic rim protecting 55 year old Al Holford. You know why their rim protection is good? B/C THEY HAVE GREAT PERIMETER DEFENDERS.

We aren't trading for a Chet, or Wemby, or Gobert, or trotting out a Allen/Mobley front court. But Missi's stats are comparable with any good defensive 5 in the league. We don't need to waste money or assets on someone like Turner, or anyone else you listed b/c Missi is just as good or better than all of them. What we need is a backup 5, not a $30+ million dollar starting 5. You want to upgrade a position and give up assets and pay a high salary, then do it to a wing player.

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Your opinion is that we need a cheap center and a 3rd string wing?

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Yep.

a $30+M 3rd string wing.
your reading comprehension is just terrible.

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You'd rather a wing get 10 min behind Trey/ Bey instead of getting a C who can play 20+ minutes, have Missi beasting off the bench, and not being fricked if either get hurt?

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or, and let's use some common fricking sense here, i'd rather get an all-star caliber wing to play with Trey, while Bey comes off the bench.



Answer this question. What position will DQ primarily play in the NBA?
Are you bringing in a 5 that is taking minutes away from DQ at the 5? Is DQ going to primarily play the 4? if so, why the frick is Zion still on the team?
I don't know how many more stats i need to post for you, but Missi has been and is going to be an elite defensive 5. What we need is a 5 that compliments Missi, meaning he does some of the things that Missi isn't the best at, like having to guard some of the really large 5's in the league like Jokic and Embiid.
I am perfectly fine with DQ/Missi/Karlo and another quality big (like a wendell carter or someone you aren't giving up much of anything for) being our front court for the near future.
If we are going to give up assets, then it should be to go get a top tier wing player.

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You being upset about Zion's existence has absolutely fricking nothing to do with getting an upgraded center.

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I know i wrote a whole bunch of shite, but yes, it does, and it's the point i'm making.
We don't need an upgrade at center.

The only reason YOU thin we need an upgrade at center is to compliment Zion. Under no circumstance should we be roster building around him anymore. He's the problem. Missi is a starting caliber center in the league, and I think he'll continue to get better. I've posted plenty of stats across multiple threads about Missi, DQ and Karlo's defense being better than you think.
WHy do you think Missi isn't good enough to be a good starter? b/c he doesn't shoot 3's? who gives a shite? Maybe the 6'6" fat arse should shoot 3's. It's perfectly normal to have a center who isn't a 3 point threat. It's not normal to have your "best" player not be able to shoot from anywhere other than from under the goal.

A better defense starts with getting rid of the guy who sucks on defense, and who's offense creates fast break opportunities far too often b/c he's either on the ground after a shot or too lazy to get back when he isn't on the ground.



So yeah, this center debate is about Zion, in my opinion.

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Timeout. Are you creating a random scenario where we trade Zion and then add that $30mil wing?

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did you create a scenario where we presumably trade Poole and add a $30M center? How else are you expecting to get half the guys you listed? Why can't i want a $30M player?
I don't want to give up assets to demote Missi and DQ to the bench and play less minutes, as well as Karlo.
Upgrading Zion puts us in a better position to win more games than adding some 5 who is on some monster contract on a team he doens't currently help win. Jarrett Allen is the only guy on that list i would be interested in, and to be honest, I think Missi can get to Jarrett Allen's level of play. Allen is what we are hoping Missi becomes, and i think that's very realistic


It seems awfully negative of you to not think Missi can improve even more this year, despite being one of the better defensive 5's in the league last year.

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The thread is NOT about what you think we should do completely irrelevant to what we are actually planning to do.

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and you know what we are actually planning to do.

I don't see Queen and Missi playing a ton of minutes together (not yet). Maybe 5-10 minutes a game. So I believe they will split time at Center, with both getting about 25-30mpg. I'm comfortable with extended depth of Jordan and Matkovic. In a pinch, we could possibly get by with Bey or Watford playing some at the 5 (going small).

All that said, I don’t think its a big need unless we are upgrading Missi. Which i don't see unless we trade for Duren. Would he be a good fit with Queen? I'm not sure he would be..

Myles Turner longest tenured hypothetical pel

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Have you ever thought maybe you are just being slightly pessimistic in your overall assessment?

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Compared to you? Sure

I actually think we cover our over with ease this year assuming we don’t blow it up at the deadline and tank. I’ve got us around 35 wins, which is a massive improvement all things considered.

I don’t think there is a center we can get that drastically changes that outcome, and based on that conviction, I don’t think giving up a first round pick for any of the guys you listed is a smart move.

You keep protesting as if I’m saying “don’t upgrade” but if the cost of the upgrade is greater than the reward - and I strongly believe that is the case - then I believe it makes more sense to stand pat.

You asking me if I’m pessimistic is silly when: a) not mortgaging future valuable assets for Myles Turner in 2026 is a completely logical thing to believe in; and B) you are the one who has been off on your evaluations of this roster, as you have been aggressively, wildly, over-optimistic in the very recent past.

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We have had the worst center rotation in the NBA for the last two years.

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I don't think this is true at all. First team to come to mind is the Hawks (since I live in Atlanta). They are playing Okongwu (PF) at Center, who is undersized and limited offensively. Missi isn't as good as him? Who would you rather have?

I get that Queen is a bit undersized as well. But they don't have anybody near as talented as him. As a unit, I'd take ours over them. I'm sure I can make the same argument for a bunch of other teams too.