re: Bucks have “heavy interest” in Jose

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Probably a 50% of being better?

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You think 50% of 2nd round picks become rotation players?

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Dinky Mulberry

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You come to Pelicans Talk praying to find a Brandon Ingram trade and see this crap. Can you really blame us at this point?

I just want to be good enough to not have to trade away our Jrue Holiday’s and Jose Alvarado’s cause we want to suck more. That’s a low bar. Literally just want to be competitive.

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Your whole argument is predicated on draft position. What does Jose being an UFA in 2021 have to do with his player value now? If anything, being an UFA has been a POSITIVE for his value because he’s dirt cheap salary wise

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He does keep repeating this. Not sure why, it doesn’t matter where yiu drafted. It’s like saying hey since Jokic was drafted in the 2nd, we should give them 4 2nds since that’s twice his original value and that will give them 4 chances to find the same exact player. So they should make the trade….

I don’t think anyone here would trade him for two 2nds. Or anyone that had any sense, which might be half this board. That’s a garbage return, so you just hang on to him. Stupid argument if you ask me.

I think that "blowing up the team" and trading Jose are counterintuitive. Jose, and maybe Murray are the only "dawgs" on the team (Herb is great and gives a ton of effort, but he's probably too reserved to be a proper "dawg", and to my knowledge has never given Zion/BI shite for being pussies). If we are trading the likes of Zion, BI, and Herb, then Jose is pretty important to keep. We would need someone to instill pride into the youngins that we replace those key players with.

Unless we get offered something crazy, a ton of posters here have covered the other reasons not to trade him. Simply put:
-he's a fan favorite, and you need to at least pretend that you're satisfying the masses
-his return likely won't exceed his production + intangibles + low cost.

I thought Jose Vargas

Thought the Bucks are one of the nine hard capped teams. The Bucks can't add salary without the Pels taking back a player of equal or more salary.
Why would the Pels want to add salary to increase taxes? There has to be more than Jose.

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In fairness, you're exaggerating also, you just don't have the self awareness to realize it.

You claimed there's probably a 50% chance a 2nd round pick would be better than Jose, when the fact is that 72% of 2nd round picks since 2000 either never play a single game or play very sparingly but never make a rotation consistently.

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Understood. It was a slight exaggeration.

As said right above I understand not wanting to trade a fan favorite. But if the reason we keep Jose is

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you need to at least pretend that you're satisfying the masses

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then that's nuts. If keeping Jose is what "satisfies the masses" then we are fricked as a franchise and deserve them laughing in our face.

What everyone seems to keep ignoring is that the CHANCE of upgrading from Jose with future assets is almost equal to his future value even at 0.

I highly doubt we pay Jose for his next contract and if we don't get another all star level player in a trade this year then we are surely spending next season building chemistry with our players instead of "contending".

So what we keep him for a year to make people feel better and trade him next year anyway as an expiring?

He is not the difference maker in contending or make/break.

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his return likely won't exceed his production + intangibles + low cost.

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Everyone keeps saying this but what does he do that's so special and can't be replaced?

Jose: 21.7min/ 9.3pts/ 4ast/ 1.9reb/ 1.3stl
Boston: 23.7min/ 10.7pts/ 3.2ast/ 2.3reb/ 1.3stl

Oh look we can trade Jose, get 2 future 2nds for free, and replace his production without even using the 2nds or changing our roster. Lol

Why? Because there's nothing special about Jose from a skill level and whatever "irreplaceable production" y'all keeping telling yourself he has is being pulled out your arse.

The only "special" quality Jose has is that he is a hard worker and absolutely grinds on the court. Which I 100% respect and its the reason I do love him as a player.

And although I love Jose I'm not dumb enough to believe that a guy that has to/ and does work harder than everyone else with a career avg of 7.7/ 2.8/2.1 is "special" or has production that can't be replaced.

There is nothing irreplaceable about a guy that works the hardest he possibly can to avg 8/2/2.

If you took this scenario to Bosses in most other businesses/ industries with the relative level of employee status Jose has and argued any level of importance towards future impact of the company they'd probably laugh their fricking asses off.

Dude, you are losing your shite and arguing with a wall over people not wanting to trade a fan favorite for a pile of shite and 2 rolls of toilet paper. Lighten up, Francis.