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re: Bucks have “heavy interest” in Jose
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:46 am to ghost2most
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:46 am to ghost2most
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Why are 2nds so valuable now?
Because the product is getting better. Every year its been more common for 1st, 2nds, and undrafted to be worth a shite. Its not some special event that happened just for Jose. And its not a special event anyway because there's nothing special about Jose as much as I and others love him.
Our chances of finding another Jose probably increase every single year. Meanwhile people are viewing him like he's actually an untouchable asset that will make a difference on a championship team. Which couldn't be more wrong. And it actually could be more wrong because we aren't even a fricking championship team.
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:00 pm to whatiknowsofar
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And if he said Jose is untouchable
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Ghost? No he didn't.
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Jose at his salary is untouchable
Y'all are such pussies with your semantics. He legit said exactly those words.
Nothing he said after that matters, you didn't have to bold it because its complete bullshite. There's nothing that makes Jose untouchable. Your semantics are just that, it doesn't change the point or make Jose untouchable. He simply isn't for any reason whatsoever. Furthermore he simply isn't a difference maker to not take (2) 2nds for him.
The value of (2) future 2nds is higher than the value of Jose's impact on this broken team. And y'all clearly let your emotions fog that reality.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:03 pm to Dantheman504
Jose is a very valuable piece on a contending team.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:07 pm to Pistol44
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Jose is a very valuable piece on a contending team
Wrong. He's an 8th/ 9th player on a contending team and is a "good/ solid rotational player". He will not be the difference maker on that team and is only another glue guy to hold it down while others do the real work.
And this is also the only way Jose's value is maximized as a whole.
Y'all really want to exaggerate his overall impact and value
And it sucks that it has to come off like I'm attacking a guy only because some fans have their head so far up their arse they can't understand simple shite.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:12 pm to Dantheman504
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Y'all are such pussies with your semantics. He legit said exactly those words.
Nothing he said after that matters, you didn't have to bold it because its complete bullshite.
Dude you're fricking crazy. You're ignoring a pretty major part of his statement.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:16 pm to Dantheman504
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No I just have enough common sense to process that neither Jose or Herb are untouchable assets on any capacity
I think one person in this entire thread has said Jose is untouchable and now you think everyone thinks that. I think most people view Jose as a good player who shouldn't be given away for peanuts when he provides you minutes for cheap. You can hate on his game all you want but he was providing game changing minutes in the playoffs. That's a fact. You're saying trade him for something that best case scenario, turns out to be a guy almost as good as Jose. He is much more valuable in a trade going towards another player, not picks.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:28 pm to Dantheman504
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Wrong. He's an 8th/ 9th player on a contending team and is a "good/ solid rotational player
I’d argue Pels best 4-8 minute stretches have included Jose in the last 4 years. The BI push to playoffs and Zion’s December run, Jose was a key. Turnovers and timely shots gets finishers space. Im sure thats what the Bucks are thinking. In a vacuun on a lottery team, not so much.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
The team/arena has had a pulse the last few weeks since Jose’s return. We were 5-29 prior to his return. We are 7-7 since.
Before you say “Z returned too”…we are 2-5 with Zion and 5-2 without Zion since.
The schedule softening quite a bit is one of the reasons. The other isn’t rocket science, but let’s flip that reason who costs us dang near nothing for a couple of seconds
Before you say “Z returned too”…we are 2-5 with Zion and 5-2 without Zion since.
The schedule softening quite a bit is one of the reasons. The other isn’t rocket science, but let’s flip that reason who costs us dang near nothing for a couple of seconds
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:37 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Dude you're fricking crazy. You're ignoring a pretty major part of his statement.
No I didn't ignore that part. I already said Jose is better off being an add on to get a player we want before he even posted that. I agree with that half of what he said.
Jose is not an untouchable assets under any circumstances. Y'all creating a circumstance doesn't change that point.
Fans would melt and it would be the end of the world if we trade an undrafted player that will never ever be a starter on a contending NBA team but I'm crazy??
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:50 pm to Dantheman504
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but let’s flip that reason who costs us dang near nothing for a couple of seconds
This isn't even about trading him anymore. The fact that he means so much to people on the future of this team is bat shite crazy. The fact that people think he actually has any value in regards to our future success is absolutely insane. He makes 0 difference in the big picture. I know that really hurts to hear but get the frick over it.
The probability difference of us being successful with Jose in the future vs without Jose in the future is 0. There is no difference at all, his impact wouldn't even touch .001% in that probability.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:57 pm to whatiknowsofar
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and due to certain limitations can be kept cheap
When his new contract hits, is he still cheap?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:18 pm to Townedrunkard
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I remember him giving CP3 hell in the suns series
That was it. He has been literally exposed every other series.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:27 pm to Dantheman504
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Jose is not an untouchable assets under any circumstances. Y'all creating a circumstance doesn't change that point.
Who are all these posters that keep saying Jose is untouchable?
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I don’t think anyone is saying he is untouchable.
I think the general consensus is that what we would get for him isn’t as good as keeping him, though, due to a mix of his low salary for matching purposes and the likelihood of few picks for him.
I think the general consensus is that what we would get for him isn’t as good as keeping him, though, due to a mix of his low salary for matching purposes and the likelihood of few picks for him.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:41 pm to teke184
I said Jose and Herb are untouchable unless they're part of a trade that brings in a better piece.
Maybe untouchable is too strong, but I fail to see the point of trading either for 2nd round picks that will more than likely not be as good as they are.
No one is saying either is a superstar but for their price they are excellent additions and there's no reason to jettison them just because the team sucks to take a gamble on their replacement.
I just don't see the point. It's a trade just to make a trade.
Maybe untouchable is too strong, but I fail to see the point of trading either for 2nd round picks that will more than likely not be as good as they are.
No one is saying either is a superstar but for their price they are excellent additions and there's no reason to jettison them just because the team sucks to take a gamble on their replacement.
I just don't see the point. It's a trade just to make a trade.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:51 pm to ghost2most
Yeah you don’t trade Jose for 2nds.
A 1st and a swap would be my minimum , which I believe Milwaukee can offer both, their 2031 1st and a swap in 2030 for the
A 1st and a swap would be my minimum , which I believe Milwaukee can offer both, their 2031 1st and a swap in 2030 for the
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:52 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Who are all these posters that keep saying Jose is untouchable?
Oh I'm sorry. "Jose isn't untouchable we should only trade him for a lottery pick or all star in a trade"
He's untouchable unless we get something worth 10x his value right?
Untouchable:
something that cannot be touched, or something that is beyond criticism or control.
Well y'all think he can't be touched/ shouldn't and he apparently is way above criticism.
And now y'all take my bigger point of "Jose is not a difference maker for our franchise" and change semantics to "no one said Jose is untouchable".
Is this all y'all have to argue against me other than a bunch of pussy arse personal opinions of how he makes you feel?
The dude is a career average 8pts and 3ast. We aren't missing shite without him and he's extremely replaceable. Y'all are just fricking stupid.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 1:59 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Dude you're fricking crazy. You're ignoring a pretty major part of his statement.
It’s a key indicator that he’s getting his arse kicked in this argument when he’s selectively editing someone’s sentence. Sad.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:03 pm to Dantheman504
The only argument y'all keep making is that the player averaging 8pts/2reb/3ast through his career on a losing team "played well".
What the frick does that even mean?
"This dude is so good that he can be a good 7th/8th player on a losing team"
He has been a meaningless part of our team for the last 3-4 years that changed absolutely nothing for us as a whole. But yet if we keep him then he will somehow become a meaningful player?
Literally the only thing he's done is make y'all content with keeping him as a backup. That's it.
What the frick does that even mean?
"This dude is so good that he can be a good 7th/8th player on a losing team"
He has been a meaningless part of our team for the last 3-4 years that changed absolutely nothing for us as a whole. But yet if we keep him then he will somehow become a meaningful player?
Literally the only thing he's done is make y'all content with keeping him as a backup. That's it.
Posted on 1/30/25 at 2:05 pm to Dantheman504
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And now y'all take my bigger point of "Jose is not a difference maker for our franchise" and change semantics to "no one said Jose is untouchable
I’m beginning to think you truly are just an idiot. No one in this argument is suggesting Jose is a star. You’re the dumb arse who has brought the term “difference maker for our franchise” into this argument. The vast majority of the comments in here think it would be a bad idea to trade a consistently, solid rotational player for a couple seconds. How someone is stupid enough to equate that opinion to saying Jose is a “difference maker for our franchise” is downright sad.
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