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re: Breaking: Dame to Milwaukee, Jrue routed to Boston for Brogdon and picks
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:02 am to teke184
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:02 am to teke184
quote:There's been way too much of we could have gotten Dame, and now this morning, we definitely could have gotten Scoot and Scoot wanted to come here.
Without knowing definitively what Portland wanted for him, it is hard to say “Yeah, we should have gotten him.”
Nobody knows any of that. Scoot I believe took a meeting with us, that doesn't mean he definitely wanted to come here.
Dame had a 1 team mandate, but it's rather obvious that he signed off on Milwaukee. He likely wouldn't have signed off on New Orleans, and even if he could be traded again, I doubt Portland would have wanted to get CJ back, so that deal likely never had a chance either for us. I wish we could have paired Dame with BI/Zion, but we just can't go around saying we could have gotten Dame, it's never that simple.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:21 am to shel311
I don’t know man. I get where your coming from that yeah technically we dont know what the internal discussions are so yeah we can’t definitely say either way. Whats true is we clearly have the assets to get those guys and we chose not to. We stuck to this core rather than get a prospect with franchise changing promise or one of the best guards in the game. Those are facts. Time will tell if thats the right decision but so far history has told us the current core cant stay healthy enough to win significantly.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:25 am to Pels_Yaz
I'm not reading through six pages, but people saying the Bucks pick is worthless are insane.
There's a much greater chance imo, that the Bucks are WORSE with Dame than Jrue.
Lillard is OLD and fragile. People are obsessed with mid 30s stars.
Durant, Lillard, Harden. These dudes are old as shite by NBA standards and the wheels have already started to fall off. They will go from very good to unplayable very quickly.
None of those guys will win another title.
There's a much greater chance imo, that the Bucks are WORSE with Dame than Jrue.
Lillard is OLD and fragile. People are obsessed with mid 30s stars.
Durant, Lillard, Harden. These dudes are old as shite by NBA standards and the wheels have already started to fall off. They will go from very good to unplayable very quickly.
None of those guys will win another title.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:32 am to ghost2most
If Giannis is still playing with Bucks- those picks aren’t going to be worth much. Do the Bucks lose defense without Jrue sure. But the Bucks offensively are significantly better with Dame. If they are healthy, offensively its a very hard duo to stop. Doesn’t matter if they win a title, as long as they are in title contention those picks wont matter.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:40 am to ghost2most
The Bucks’ biggest problems at this point are the lack of assets they have to move Middleton, Lopez, etc, for additional pieces as well as being severely limited in the buyout market due to the CBA changes.
They can compete this year. The question for them is whether they do well enough that Giannis re-ups or if he demands out, as they have pretty much no wiggle room with that roster short of flipping Lopez or Middleton for overpriced albatross contracts like Ben Simmons.
If they win another title or even hit the finals, they are probably golden.
If they have another early exit, they appear completely and totally fricked, which causes our picks and swaps to appreciate in value.
They can compete this year. The question for them is whether they do well enough that Giannis re-ups or if he demands out, as they have pretty much no wiggle room with that roster short of flipping Lopez or Middleton for overpriced albatross contracts like Ben Simmons.
If they win another title or even hit the finals, they are probably golden.
If they have another early exit, they appear completely and totally fricked, which causes our picks and swaps to appreciate in value.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:43 am to teke184
To be fair to the Bucks they continue to make changes to help Giannis stay and also stay in title contention. We’re betting on the bucks as an organization dropping the ball and kudos to them they havent. They seem like a competent well run title contending organization and we’re hoping they wont be- I just dont see that happening.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:48 am to Pels_Yaz
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To be fair to the Bucks they continue to make changes to help Giannis stay and also stay in title contention.
They’re heavily constrained on what they can do at this point but they have been willing to do so because Giannis has been honest with them and they have made plays in turn which worked out.
Getting Jrue was a gamble to keep Giannis for his next contract. It paid off because they immediately won a chip, which got him to re-up and got him to trust in the front office.
Whether this one works out is another matter because, if Dames et all break down, there is NO fixing this given their available assets and the CBA limits. If it goes poorly, Giannis may hit the door.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:50 am to teke184
quote:For the acquisition price, it was a great "gamble" by the Bucks. They are a better team now.
They’re heavily constrained on what they can do at this point but they have been willing to do so because Giannis has been honest with them and they have made plays in turn which worked out.
Getting Jrue was a gamble to keep Giannis for his next contract. It paid off because they immediately won a chip, which got him to re-up and got him to trust in the front office.
Whether this one works out is another matter because, if Dames et all break down, there is NO fixing this given their available assets and the CBA limits. If it goes poorly, Giannis may hit the door.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 11:56 am to teke184
The key is the extension. I doubt he signs it now but he may after this trade. But he’ll probably sign it next year, even if they don’t win a title. Once he signs an extension, that to me is where the picks become useless whether Dame breaks down or not. The question becomes whether he asks out after signing the extension- he might if it gets really bad. But again we’re betting on a front office that now has made 2 pretty solid moves to keep contending. I just dont see them breaking down to the point our picks or swaps are valuable. Organizations are pretty aware of their swaps and traded picks so they will try their hardest to contend no matter what. Think about they were the top seed and lost in first round. They fired their coach and traded Jrue for Dame. Thats how serious they are about contending and keeping Giannis happy.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
I don’t doubt their willingness to work with Giannis.
I doubt their ability to continue doing so as the new CBA changes go into effect while their key players age.
Are those picks definitely going to be worth something? No. But there is a reasonable chance things collapse there due to age, injuries, assets, etc.
Let me put it this way. Those look like a better bet than any of the future picks or swaps we got from the Lakers in the AD trade. Those did pay off by getting Dyson unexpectedly, too.
I doubt their ability to continue doing so as the new CBA changes go into effect while their key players age.
Are those picks definitely going to be worth something? No. But there is a reasonable chance things collapse there due to age, injuries, assets, etc.
Let me put it this way. Those look like a better bet than any of the future picks or swaps we got from the Lakers in the AD trade. Those did pay off by getting Dyson unexpectedly, too.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 12:11 pm to teke184
“Are those picks definitely going to be worth something? No. But there is a reasonable chance things collapse there due to age, injuries, assets, etc. ”
- you’re not wrong on this. But even if that happens, which I doubt it does, the question with our organization becomes what we do with it. My gut tells me we’ll use it to dump some salary to get under the cap or not pull the trigger when needed. Even us getting Dyson- lets be honest- how much of a game changer will he be.
This is a separate discussion but I dont trust our organization doing anything with those picks, even if they are valuable, to significantly upgrade our franchise. But lets see what happens with those picks and where we are as a franchise as well at that point.
- you’re not wrong on this. But even if that happens, which I doubt it does, the question with our organization becomes what we do with it. My gut tells me we’ll use it to dump some salary to get under the cap or not pull the trigger when needed. Even us getting Dyson- lets be honest- how much of a game changer will he be.
This is a separate discussion but I dont trust our organization doing anything with those picks, even if they are valuable, to significantly upgrade our franchise. But lets see what happens with those picks and where we are as a franchise as well at that point.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:20 pm to Soggymoss
Damn, I wanted to trade CJ and Herb for Jrue
Posted on 9/28/23 at 2:20 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Even us getting Dyson- lets be honest- how much of a game changer will he be.
Dyson was seen as a great defensive presence, which you can’t have too many of, who had the potential to become an offensive one simply because he is young and has a high BBIQ.
Given where we drafted and who was being bandied about at that time, I don’t see him being a whiff.
We missed out on Ivey, Mathurin, and Sharpe due to chance. We passed on Sojhan and a few others who could still be great but haven’t been major prodigies. The guy I wish we got in hindsight was Kessler, but it is easy to go “yeah, the fourth center off the board will be baller” with the benefit of hindsight.
We didn’t draft a total bust like Johnny Davis, which still puts us ahead of some teams who drafted behind us.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 10:58 am to teke184
Jrue to Boston
Miami really fumbled it by not putting everything on the table, now their two biggest threats in the east are far better teams than they were before.
Miami really fumbled it by not putting everything on the table, now their two biggest threats in the east are far better teams than they were before.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:00 am to Soggymoss
quote:
ST IN: The Boston Celtics are acquiring star guard Jrue Holiday from the Portland Trail Blazers for package including Malcolm Brogdon and multiple picks, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:09 am to Soggymoss
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Here’s the Damian Lillard return in Portland:
Deandre Ayton
Malcolm Brogdon
Robert Williams
2024 GSW first (top 4 protected)
2028 Milwaukee pick swap
2029 Milwaukee unprotected first
2029 Boston unprotected first
2030 Milwaukee pick swap
Portland killed it with that deal.
This post was edited on 10/1/23 at 11:11 am
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:16 am to Soggymoss
The rich get richer
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:16 am to Soggymoss
Have to think they are flipping Robert Williams right?
I would say we should go after him, but we would have to find someone to take Val.
I would say we should go after him, but we would have to find someone to take Val.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:17 am to NOSHAU
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He's crying and stomping his feet like a baby.
Well yeah. That’s the basis for his entire worldview.
Posted on 10/1/23 at 11:17 am to Soggymoss
None of those picks mean anything
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