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re: Breaking: Dame to Milwaukee, Jrue routed to Boston for Brogdon and picks
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:32 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:32 pm to saintsfan22
quote:When did they go all in with AD?
The Pels during the Anthony Davis era.
quote:That's a good example.
The T'wolves trading for Gobert.
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Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:32 pm to Balsamic_duck
I mean health is implied to win. BI and Zion dont win because they’re not healthy enough. People will argue Dame has been hurt the past couple of years- I honestly think that was more im sitting out because my team is trash. Watch how healthy he is this year. He will miraculously be able to play through injuries he couldnt in portland the last couple of years.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:34 pm to Macintosh
Agreed but as a journalist you have to be somewhat objective otherwise you’re just constantly a nagging irritant that most people can’t take seriously.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:37 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I mean health is implied to win. BI and Zion dont win because they’re not healthy enough. People will argue Dame has been hurt the past couple of years- I honestly think that was more im sitting out because my team is trash. Watch how healthy he is this year. He will miraculously be able to play through injuries he couldnt in portland the last couple of years.
The issue is you can't trust BI and Zion to be healthy enough to go try and pair them with Dame. It's like giving a loan to a crack addict and expecting to get paid back.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:40 pm to shel311
quote:He's crying and stomping his feet like a baby.
Shamit is seriously melting and lashing out at everyone responding to him right now
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:40 pm to Balsamic_duck
Then what do you do? According to your theory we’re basically just waiting for them to overdose and die?
Sidenote- these are horrible analogies for how a basketball front office should operate lol
Sidenote- these are horrible analogies for how a basketball front office should operate lol
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:48 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Then what do you do? According to your theory we’re basically just waiting for them to overdose and die?
Sidenote- these are horrible analogies for how a basketball front office should operate lol
Easy. This season is their last chance to prove this team is worth investing in. If they fail, then you blow it up. If they are successful then you push some chips in at the deadline or in the offseason to get better.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:52 pm to shel311
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When did they go all in with AD?
After we drafted AD the only 1st rd picks we made in his time in New Orleans were Austin Rivers an hour later and Buddy Heild, who was traded as a rookie for an allstar running mate for AD. It wasn't one huge trade, although two were big, but continual pushing chips in.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 3:53 pm to Balsamic_duck
Yeah I’ve heard that before. We all know the end result here. Lets use your theory- lets give the crack addicts one more chance to be successful because even though they haven’t shown it in the past 3 years- they will magically stay healthy and make a positive playoff run and advance past first round. Seems like we’re just giving the addicts more crack and pray they dont overdose.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Yeah I’ve heard that before. We all know the end result here. Lets use your theory- lets give the crack addicts one more chance to be successful because even though they haven’t shown it in the past 3 years- they will magically stay healthy and make a positive playoff run and advance past first round. Seems like we’re just giving the addicts more crack and pray they dont overdose.
Yeah, that's not a plan that I want the pels to do but it's the one they've chosen for this season. I would've traded for scoot and taken a step back this season. 4 years is enough of a sample size for me and zion and bi didn't do enough. I guess the pels want 5 years of a sample size.
If i had to guess what happens this season, Bi and zion play off and on again. We fight for the play-in where we get bounced again, followed by an offseason of major change
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:11 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:That's what I never see answered.
What? The major issue is health. Where does Dame get us if BI and Zion are playing 40 games a year? we'd be in the exact same spot just a lot more poor
There's a couple of posters and dudes on Twitter who keep saying we should have went all in on Scoot, or we should have went all in on Dame.
Please explain how either of those trades magically make Zion healthy. I'd love to hear it.
I wish we would have traded for Dame too, don't get me wrong. But I'm still failing to see how that solves our Zion not playing issue.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:14 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:I don't agree entirely. I do agree with Shamit's point that we shouldn't point to the Bucks have Giannis, so they go all in and we haven't won. I'm with him, be bold and make moves...obviously the right moves.
The issue is you can't trust BI and Zion to be healthy enough to go try and pair them with Dame. It's like giving a loan to a crack addict and expecting to get paid back.
I was all for going all in on Dame. But I'm also aware enough to know that doesn't magically solve all our problems. It doesn't mean we won't be injury plagued, it does nothing to stop that.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:17 pm to shel311
You can argue part of the problem with Zions health is the fact that you cant use him like a normal nba superstar- meaning rest him at times, not over use point Zion, cut his minutes in regular season to keep him healthy. If thats the case a guy like Dame can carry the scoring load and you can play winning basketball while trying to keep Zion healthy. That being said the main issue is Zion needs to stay healthy.
The whole Scoot idea was more I think trading Zion for Scoot due to his health issues. In essence we were starting over with Scoot and to get rid of dealing with Zions health issues. I doubt Griffin wanted to pair Zion with Scoot; it was BI with Scoot he wanted.
The whole Scoot idea was more I think trading Zion for Scoot due to his health issues. In essence we were starting over with Scoot and to get rid of dealing with Zions health issues. I doubt Griffin wanted to pair Zion with Scoot; it was BI with Scoot he wanted.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:20 pm to Balsamic_duck
I agree I think the front office wanted that as well with trying for Scoot. Which makes this season even more frustrating because you feel this wasn’t really what the front office wanted going into this season. If the front office isn’t confident in this core- than honestly why should the fans be?
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:28 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Would a better move have been emptying your assets for a 33 year old who has missed 75 games over the last 2 seasons and has $216 million guaranteed remaining on his contract?
Yeah I’ve heard that before. We all know the end result here. Lets use your theory- lets give the crack addicts one more chance to be successful because even though they haven’t shown it in the past 3 years- they will magically stay healthy and make a positive playoff run and advance past first round. Seems like we’re just giving the addicts more crack and pray they dont overdose.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 4:44 pm to NOSHAU
You’re honestly just highlighting the negatives of something you don’t agree with. Hes also multi all star superstar who scored 50 last season and is still capable of putting of big games. Go ahead find a cheaper younger superstar thats out there on the trade market??? Yeah go ahead and find someone who is even close to Dames caliber? If anything the contract and his age make a productive superstar like him still affordable. As for the games missed, they sat him the last 2 seasons because the team sucked and they were trying to lose- again skewed facts. Just watch how healthy he is with a competitive bucks team.
This post was edited on 9/27/23 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:30 pm to 50_Tiger
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Blazers Serious Franchise, Pels Not. Ayton Scoot Sharpe Simons Grant
Dude, our starting 5 is better than that
Are you really that blown away by Ayton? And yes the Blazers have certainly been the prime example of success that we should envy. quote:
Meanwhile we praying to get 40 games from Zion and BI
So it’s wrong to want your guys to be healthy, got it.
Just a couple posts in and this is already an odd thread. Milwaukee makes a big trade and somehow David Griffin is to blame for it
Posted on 9/27/23 at 7:56 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:And what is it that you are doing? He has put up a ton of points on bad teams. I would love Dame if he did not come with that much guaranteed money or was a bit younger. If they would have taken CJ and a 1st, I would certainly done that. However, too many are acting like he would even want to come here. I am sure he had some say in whether he went to Milwaukee or not. Despite wanting to go to Miami, I am sure he is OK playing next to Giannis. Would he have been ok in NOLA or would Portland have been happy with a return built around CJ? Doubtful.
You’re honestly just highlighting the negatives of something you don’t agree with. Hes also multi all star superstar who scored 50 last season and is still capable of putting of big games. Go ahead find a cheaper younger superstar thats out there on the trade market??? Yeah go ahead and find someone who is even close to Dames caliber? If anything the contract and his age make a productive superstar like him still affordable. As for the games missed, they sat him the last 2 seasons because the team sucked and they were trying to lose- again skewed facts. Just watch how healthy he is with a competitive bucks team.
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:12 pm to NOSHAU
quote:This is definitely overlooked since he didn't go to Miami, but it's rather obvious he signed off on going to Milwaukee despite all the talk.
However, too many are acting like he would even want to come here. I am sure he had some say in whether he went to Milwaukee or not. Despite wanting to go to Miami, I am sure he is OK playing next to Giannis. Would he have been ok in NOLA or would Portland have been happy with a return built around CJ? Doubtful
Posted on 9/27/23 at 8:12 pm to NOSHAU
You’re making a lot of assumptions. I never said he would want to come here but the fact people arguing its useless trading for him makes no sense.
“He has put up a ton of points on bad teams.”- this is literally called selective memory. The dude went to several playoffs, made clutch series closing playoff shots, west conf finals and gone further with the blazers than pelicans have their whole franchise. He literally was voted best blazer of all time. You’re acting like this dude was some high scoring bum on lottery teams. That statement is an insult to Dame and his career.
“He has put up a ton of points on bad teams.”- this is literally called selective memory. The dude went to several playoffs, made clutch series closing playoff shots, west conf finals and gone further with the blazers than pelicans have their whole franchise. He literally was voted best blazer of all time. You’re acting like this dude was some high scoring bum on lottery teams. That statement is an insult to Dame and his career.
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