re: Aug 6th BI Deadline

I’d rather let him walk than sign for 50 a year that’s fricking dumb and I hope the organization thinks that as well. Oddly enough I think we are in the driver seat here. He’s not getting what he thinks.

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They’ve been trying to get $50m/yr. I said $36m/yr at the minimum. Big difference.

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I will ask again. Who is going to be the team to give him that? He will have to be that team's #1 or #2. I have looked through all the teams and I don't see an obvious fit. Do you?

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I’ll be sure to remind you of these thoughts when he resigns.

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Good luck. A lot is going to happen in-between now and when he signs a deal next summer. If we give him a long term deal at 36M+/year, it's a massive mistake. We would be bidding against ourself. You can celebrate. I'll be in mourning..

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He's a top 40-ish player in a league with 30 teams

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Based on what? This is where I'm coming from.

McCollum was 32 last season. Most people on here say that he was bad and needs to be moved. No takers though on a bad contract. That is what I see on here. So, last season..

McCollum
20.0/4.3/4.6- 1.9TOs with 43% 3pt shooting

Ingram
20.8/5.1/5.7- 2.5TOs with 36% 3pt shooting

Ingram is 6 inches taller and 6 years younger. How are the stats almost identical? How is McCollum a bad deal at 33M, but it's a good deal to get Ingram at 36-40M?

That doesn't make sense to me or most people around the league.

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Even if you want to say that's overrating him, he's certainly not outside the top 60. Around there you're talking about guys like Lamelo, FVV, etc

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He's maybe top 50. For what he gives a team, you can fill in bulk with a guy/s on a lower contract, plus other assets. Ingram at 40M+ would be making almost as much as Jones and Murphy combined (once Murphy signs his new deal). He's unnecessary and it's horrible team/cap planning.

I hope he gets as much as he can, from another team. But his value is not static. It all depends on a desperate team gambling on his theoretical upside. To act like it is a given or established is just not true..

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BI at an average of 45mil is not that bad. Y'all are trying to base BI's deal off the worst possible BI you can envision in your head.

42/44/46/48 extension is not end of the world. I can promise than in (4) years there will be way worse contracts that BI @46mil. Especially when some players will be dipping into the 60's and others will be overpaid into the high 30's/ low 40's.

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I would agree if money was the only issue.

The problem is even if you sign him to that deal, he still doesn't fit this team.

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I think the problem is the money even if he changes his game to fit. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Murray at PG changes BI's role and he embraces it like CJ did last season. What do you have? A bigger/longer version of Trey (in role, not ability for the BI stans that just started twitching).

Is that worth $40-$45 million per year? Is he still missing 20-30 games a year? History says yes. The only seasons he didn't were his rookie season and the SVG year where the season was shortened by 10 games and he was shut down early for the tank.

Maybe if injury weren't a concern you figure out how to work with that and maybe you can while Herb and Murray are on good deals and Zion is still on his 2nd contract. But it kind of seems like a luxury you can't afford that will hold you back from doing what you're eventually going to have to do anyway, figure out how to make it work without him.

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IF he changes his game to fit the team, I'm talking 6-7 3s per game, good defense, smart shots. Then yeah he's worth the money. Wings are the most valuable position in the league right now and you'd have 3 really good ones in BI, Herb and Trey. You then move off CJ's money so you can allocate that to other areas of the roster.

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and I hope the organization thinks that as well.

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Obviously they do, otherwise they would've signed him to a max deal a long time ago. It's pretty clear that they don't think he's close to a max player, because if you even think he's close, then you just do it. You aren't squabbling over <5 million per season. They probably think he's worth something like 4/150-160 and he thinks he's worth 4/200+.

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BI is not taking less than $36M/yr as a bare minimum as his next years salary, and plenty of teams would offer him that next offseason.
It is unrealistic to think he’d sign for $30m/yr and laughable to think less

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I think its hilarious that fans "would love to keep BI if he shot the 3 and bought in". While completely accepting that the (current) BI contract @37mil would be great if he shot the 3.

BUT at the same time expect him to make LESS than his current contract.

He is already making 37mil going into his prime. Can we use some math and logic to understand that he isn't making sub 35mil?


The "market reset" means BI is not worth his max contract. It does NOT mean that BI automatically is worth 15-20mil less than his actual value.

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BI wants 45-50mil and the market is telling him no team CAN pay that right now.

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I think there's only 2 teams that can pay him that next offseason, too.

Ingram is just a victim of a market correcting itself. Not a lot of teams have money, and if this was 2 years ago he'd definitely be getting max offers from multiple teams.

He's a victim of recent bias as well. In a miscast role he still played very well for us last year (literally .009% from his AS season ts%) and played like arse coming back from injury in a poorly officiated playoff series (I know you guys want to jump all over this and focus on it, but it's merely apart of the situation of him looking bad, not all of it).

We've seen players change how they play in this league constantly. Ingram himself changed his game for a period of time. He took a step back last year and absolutely cost himself a max. If ingram took 7-8 3s a game and shot 40% from 3 we wouldn't bat an eye at maxing him.

I refuse to believe that he can't go back to taking more 3s. I truly think the team knows that Ingram has to change for this to all work. Ingram knows it too. It's why they got Murray.

Right or wrong (and it's more than fair to think that this won't work) the idea of Ingrams skillset being "unlocked" is what the organization is chasing. It's the quickest path to competing in their eyes, and it's why Brandon is still on the team.

From a pure talent standpoint our top 6 players are as good as any in the league

Zion
Ingram
Murray
CJ
Trey
Herb

I'm very curious to see what Brandon says going into the year in interviews before the season starts.

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I'm very curious to see what Brandon says going into the year in interviews before the season starts.

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That hes looking to get paid. Same thing he said last year.