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re: Anyone for a Mitchell CJ trade?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:20 am to 3PieceSpicy
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:20 am to 3PieceSpicy
I agree with you Spicy. I would say that BI is the player that I would least likely trade on the team currently.
Getting in a bidding war for a Mitchell trade is not what the Pels need now.
Getting in a bidding war for a Mitchell trade is not what the Pels need now.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:57 am to cgrand
Mitchell seems like a lock to waste the rest of his career playing for the Knicks.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:32 am to Townedrunkard
There’s nothing this team needs less right now than Donovan Mitchell taking 30 shots a game and playing no defense on a max contract.
His mentality and skill set do not fit this roster. We already have our A-level players in BI and Zion. Our success will come from those two reaching their full potential and filling the rest of the roster out with great role players.
Plus as others have said the leadership and professionalism that CJ has brought can’t be understated. He is the perfect mentor for BI and Zion. You can’t throw that away unless you’re getting back a guy that pushes you into contender mode right away. Mitchell absolutely does not do that.
His mentality and skill set do not fit this roster. We already have our A-level players in BI and Zion. Our success will come from those two reaching their full potential and filling the rest of the roster out with great role players.
Plus as others have said the leadership and professionalism that CJ has brought can’t be understated. He is the perfect mentor for BI and Zion. You can’t throw that away unless you’re getting back a guy that pushes you into contender mode right away. Mitchell absolutely does not do that.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:36 am to unctiger4
Jordan Clarkson for graham and a protected pick
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:59 am to cgrand
Clarkson:
27 minutes
14.1 APG
.419 % overall
.318 3pt% (7.6 per game)
3.5 RBG
2.5 APG
1.6 TOV
29 years old
14.6 million
Graham:
28.4 minutes
10.7 APG
.363 % overall
.341 3 pt (7.4 per game)
2.3 RBG
4.3 APG
1.4 TOV
27 years old
11.5 million
I’ll keep Graham
Graham is also a career 36% 3 point shooter, Clarkson is career 33%, we would at best be swapping similar players and spending more money and assets to do it.
27 minutes
14.1 APG
.419 % overall
.318 3pt% (7.6 per game)
3.5 RBG
2.5 APG
1.6 TOV
29 years old
14.6 million
Graham:
28.4 minutes
10.7 APG
.363 % overall
.341 3 pt (7.4 per game)
2.3 RBG
4.3 APG
1.4 TOV
27 years old
11.5 million
I’ll keep Graham
Graham is also a career 36% 3 point shooter, Clarkson is career 33%, we would at best be swapping similar players and spending more money and assets to do it.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 9:01 am
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:17 am to Townedrunkard
One of the most dangerous things in the league is having a guy who thinks he’s a guy but isn’t really a guy
Mitchell in his current state will never lead a team to a title. He needs to be a robin not a Batman
Mitchell in his current state will never lead a team to a title. He needs to be a robin not a Batman
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:55 am to unctiger4
quote:
There’s nothing this team needs less right now than Donovan Mitchell taking 30 shots a game and playing no defense on a max contract.
His mentality and skill set do not fit this roster. We already have our A-level players in BI and Zion. Our success will come from those two reaching their full potential and filling the rest of the roster out with great role players.
Plus as others have said the leadership and professionalism that CJ has brought can’t be understated. He is the perfect mentor for BI and Zion. You can’t throw that away unless you’re getting back a guy that pushes you into contender mode right away. Mitchell absolutely does not do that.
The other thing is, any trade for Mitchell would almost assuredly either wipe out our draft assets(which would likely go to another team to facilitate players to Utah so they can keep winning), or, would cost key players on our roster like Trey/Herb/CJ.
Plus there is the question of leadership and personality fit. Mitchell seems like someone that would really like to end up somewhere like NY, and probably wont humble himself til he experiences it.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 12:37 pm to Bronc
quote:
Plus there is the question of leadership and personality fit. Mitchell seems like someone that would really like to end up somewhere like NY, and probably wont humble himself til he experiences it.
I'm not advocating for the trade, but a big 3 of Ingram, Zion and Mitchell should be (on paper) a Championship level contender. Especially if Zion ascends to Superstardom.
What if Mitchell is the one that can reach Zion and pushes him go that next tier?
I don't believe that, but it's possible and poo-pooing the whole idea is not productive. We should be exploring all possibilities..
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:12 pm to brmark70816
quote:
I'm not advocating for the trade, but a big 3 of Ingram, Zion and Mitchell should be (on paper) a Championship level contender
Yea it’s a pretty crazy trade idea for a player that’s been an all star the last three years and is just entering his prime on the same exact time line of all of our other players.
He’s the best player on a team that’s made the playoffs every year culminating with the number one seed last year. We surly couldn’t use that on this team. Especially for a player that has never made an all star team. What was I thinking?
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:21 pm to Townedrunkard
I don't think you can ignore all of the smoke that suggests Mitchell not caring about defense was the root of the Gobert/Mitchell feud, and one of the fatal flaws in their team.
Mitchell just doesn't fit what Willie is building culture wise. 2 years from now after they've had more playoff battles and CJ helps BI and Zion become the leaders we need them to be, maybe you can add a Mitchell and feel confident BI/Zion will get them on board. But as it stands I have my doubts that a CJ for Mitchell swaps works as well IRL as it does on paper.
Mitchell just doesn't fit what Willie is building culture wise. 2 years from now after they've had more playoff battles and CJ helps BI and Zion become the leaders we need them to be, maybe you can add a Mitchell and feel confident BI/Zion will get them on board. But as it stands I have my doubts that a CJ for Mitchell swaps works as well IRL as it does on paper.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:33 pm to brmark70816
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What if Mitchell is the one that can reach Zion and pushes him go that next tier?
quote:
I don't believe that,
No one does, so why should we entertain it?
Posted on 6/6/22 at 2:14 pm to TigerinATL
Honestly, think the point is moot anyway. He seems destined for a big market.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:24 pm to Townedrunkard
Mitchell is the most overrated “star” player I can recall over the past 20 years.
He’s legit one of the worst defenders I’ve seen in a long time and his offense is inefficient it’s not worth the being as bad as he is defensively. At least with guys like Trae Young or Dame, you know what they’re giving you offensively (both have made conference finals as lead guys to boot). Mitchell has had some very good Jazz teams up and down the roster. He got outplayed by Brunson this year in the playoffs.
He’s legit one of the worst defenders I’ve seen in a long time and his offense is inefficient it’s not worth the being as bad as he is defensively. At least with guys like Trae Young or Dame, you know what they’re giving you offensively (both have made conference finals as lead guys to boot). Mitchell has had some very good Jazz teams up and down the roster. He got outplayed by Brunson this year in the playoffs.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 10:29 pm to Townedrunkard
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Especially for a player that has never made an all star team
This is such a dumb point to make especially considering CJ was Robin while Donovan is supposed to be the guy in Utah.
I’d rather (prime) Mike Conley than Mitchell and he never made an all star game while in his prime.
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:19 pm to Townedrunkard
Downvote #107 checking in.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:20 am to theducks
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This is such a dumb point to make especially considering CJ was Robin while Donovan is supposed to be the guy in Utah.
This is a really dumb take, plenty of Robins make allstar teams every year. Jaylon Brown, klay Thompson, kris Middleton etc etc, for example. I get that everyone loves CJ, but sounds like an excuse echo chamber now.
If Donovan is not the guy in Utah, who is?
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 12:28 am
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:27 am to theducks
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Mitchell is the most overrated “star” player I can recall over the past 20 years.
There in lies the problem. I don’t see any stars (not at 25 entering their prime years anyway) being made available via trade any time soon.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:58 am to Townedrunkard
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Jaylon Brown
Plays in a big market and is better than every player mentioned.
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klay Thompson
One of the most popular players in the league and plays for one of the biggest markets. Prior to injury was arguably a top 20 player.
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kris Middleton
Plays in the East. McCollum, Jrue, Conley, etc would all have been All Star players in the East. Not a knock on Middleton cuz he’s turned into a really good player. All the more reason your argument is dumb; prime Jrue was very underrated and he never cracked an all star selection when playing in New Orleans. Musta been another role player in New Orleans.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:05 am to Townedrunkard
Mitchell is only a “star” because the media tells you he is.
Sure - he has the potential to be that guy. I’m not tryna say he’s garbage but I wouldn’t want to be the team maxing him is all. I have more faith in CJ being a difference maker for the Pels both on and off the court over the next 3 or 4 years than I would Mitchell if y’all swapped the two. As bad as CJ was for y’all in the playoffs, seriously go watch Donovan. Don’t just look at his stats. Go watch some highlights or rewatch the games. He looks like Jordan Clarkson but with a longer leash.
Sure - he has the potential to be that guy. I’m not tryna say he’s garbage but I wouldn’t want to be the team maxing him is all. I have more faith in CJ being a difference maker for the Pels both on and off the court over the next 3 or 4 years than I would Mitchell if y’all swapped the two. As bad as CJ was for y’all in the playoffs, seriously go watch Donovan. Don’t just look at his stats. Go watch some highlights or rewatch the games. He looks like Jordan Clarkson but with a longer leash.
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