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re: 8th pick
Posted on 5/11/26 at 9:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 5/11/26 at 9:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I've never seen a "fan" more upset that a move didn't hurt the franchise more than what it could have
It was an unnecessary and reckless trade. Sometimes you have to burn everything to the ground to build it better. If we ended up giving up 2 and 5 this year, that’s all the talk would be about and the heat would be turned up on joe. Well maybe not with Gayle.
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Posted on 5/11/26 at 10:00 pm to Demps
Just because he’s a coveted target, doesn’t mean Pelicans would trade him.
Did your dunbass even see who wrote these articles?
Nicholas Kula - Blazers fan with no connection to the team
Fran Leiva- fan writer from Argentina with no connection to anyone in the NBA
Joey Haverford “sport enthusiast” with no connection to the NBA
Cem Yobul- Turkey writer who enjoys writing content for SI.
Even in one of your articles say
Did your dunbass even see who wrote these articles?
Nicholas Kula - Blazers fan with no connection to the team
Fran Leiva- fan writer from Argentina with no connection to anyone in the NBA
Joey Haverford “sport enthusiast” with no connection to the NBA
Cem Yobul- Turkey writer who enjoys writing content for SI.
Even in one of your articles say
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The 25-year-old sharpshooter isn't going anywhere. The Pelicans have shown no indication that they are willing to listen to offers for Murphy. They see the small forward as an integral part of this team's present and future, next to Jeremiah Fears and Derik Queen.
Posted on 5/11/26 at 10:00 pm to duyp
Find better sources instead of these fan written articles. My God you’re insufferable
Posted on 5/11/26 at 11:54 pm to duyp
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Find better sources instead of these fan written articles. My God you’re insufferable
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 12:00 am
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:08 am to duyp
quote:Why? Because they preferred the Clippers get the pick instead of us? If that theory were correct, they would have never traded that pick for Zubac with the same top 4 protection.
I don’t think Pacers would tank if they didn’t have their pick.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:11 am to duyp
quote:Idk, didn't the 13th player in a much more talent weak draft do it? All about playing time on a bad team.
You think the 8th player in this draft will get a 30 point triple double against a playoff team? Queen is a NBA caliber player. Y’all just love bitching. I be shocked if we do worse next year than this year.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 8:16 am to duyp
quote:We know because that is how it fell. The outcome is fact, the rest is speculation. We gave up the value of the 5th and 8th pick in this year's draft to get Queen. I do not think Queen is worth that. I do not see him being top 5 in this year's draft if he were coming out of college this year. He is still a project but could develop. He has to find his way as an undersized big. Hopefully coaching can determine how to use him properly once the roster is developed.
How do you know we will get the 5th pick though? The lottery is a crapshoot. Even if we did, do you really think the 5th pick can be as good as Queen? All I see from this draft is top 3. I’m not a fan of boozer at all. Queen isn’t a bust and we should be happy that we got a guy like that on our team.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:35 am to Fun Bunch
quote:That is a byproduct of aiming for a title. If the team is not trying to win it all then what is even the point of being a fan?
Honestly it really isn't for us. It sucks to say, but for us it would be nice just to build a good organization that makes the playoffs consistently and has a run to the 2nd and 3rd rounds here and there
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:47 am to NOSHAU
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Idk, didn't the 13th player in a much more talent weak draft do it?
Last draft was one of the most talented drafts in recent history. How many drafts do essentially every lottery pick end up a hit? Maluach was the only "miss" and he was widely considered a raw project that needed to develop.
Fears could have easily ended up in the group of top prospects this year and he was 7th...
Flagg/ VJ/ Harper/ Knueppel/ Fears/ Queen were studs last year. Coward, Bailey, etcc showed a ton of upside.
The 2026 draft could be the worst draft in NBA history, we do not know.
All of the dramatic takes were due to us missing out on one of the "elite" top prospect in the Top 5. Guess what? We aren't in the top 5 and not 1 time did fans mention badass players 6-15 or us missing out on them.
Its only now that we are outside of the Top 5 that theres suddenly all these dudes we are missing out on....
If our pick ended up 17th the same people would still say "its the deepest draft ever and we are missing out on someone blah blah blah."
To say "wasn't Queen 13th" is quite the mental gymnastics. We didn't trade a future pick for Queen because he was ranked #13, we did it because we saw him as a top prospect that fell. And they were correct.
If a team traded up for Jokic because they saw something in him you wouldn't be saying "Wasn't that dude the 41st best player"? You'd be saying "Damn props to that scouting team for hitting on that dude and knowing he's a stud."
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 9:53 am
Posted on 5/12/26 at 9:59 am to Dantheman504
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:31 am to Dantheman504
quote:You do not like to deal in facts at all do you? Was he picked 13th? Fact. That is where the league valued him. He also was a very polarizing player in the draft because many teams felt he lacked work ethic and motor and was a tweener. What seems to have tipped the scales for the Pels is Weaver's son's relationship with Queen. He felt he knew more than others because of that relationship. Hopefully, he is right. Hopefully is one of the better players from the draft when all is said and done.
To say "wasn't Queen 13th" is quite the mental gymnastics. We didn't trade a future pick for Queen because he was ranked #13, we did it because we saw him as a top prospect that fell. And they were correct.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 10:36 am
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:39 am to Tank77
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:02 am to NOSHAU
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You do not like to deal in facts at all do you? Was he picked 13th? Fact.
Neither do you? Did we trade assets better than the value of #13 because we viewed him as the 13th best player? We wouldn't have done the trade if they actually valued him as 13th best.
Teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA, etccc trade up because they can't believe a guy is still available for the value and NOT because he's ranked right where he should be...
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:44 am to Demps
We bitch even when we have good luck.
You're miserable dude
You're miserable dude
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:47 am to whatiknowsofar
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We bitch even when we have good luck. You're miserable dude
Good luck? You could have had 2 more draft picks
Signed,
OKC Thunder
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:50 am to whatiknowsofar
Trust the Process? How is that going for the Sixers?
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:30 pm to RUFshreve
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Which shows how out of touch he is. Two undersized bigs who cant defend, shoot or rebound playing together.
It really is fricking sad just thinking about it.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:50 pm to Chalkywhite84
The problem is that too many fans (and media) do not fundamentally understand the mathematics involved in the lottery. Look at the process:
1. 2025 draft. Hawks are at 13 and willing to move.
2. Derik Queen is available. Pels had him 5th or 6th on their board. To get him at 13 is great value in a vacuum, but drafts do not happen in a vacuum.
3. Pels offer 2026 R1 pick for 13th pick in 2025. Atlanta demands no protections to agree to the trade.
4. Pels consider the probabilities. Mathematically, the probability is high that the Pels will not be selected in the lottery and that their pick will be somewhere after, maybe long after 5. The probability is low that they get drawn at all for 1-4 and extremely low that they get chosen #1.
5. So, you play the probabilities and get a guy now at a value where you think you may end up in next year's draft, or do you hold the pick gambling that somehow the ping pong balls will be in your favor even though the math says that will probably not happen.
They gambled with the higher probability and won. They get Derik Queen for an 8th round pick, which given his performance last year and his potential is pretty good value at 8. Most fans wanted them to gamble on the lower probability because they operate on an uninformed notion that your number gets drawn more often than it does.
Remember, in their whole history in NOLA, they have been drawn in any spot in the lottery exactly twice. Twice in over 20 years, yet fans lost their marbles because Joe Dumars didn't want to test those odds.
1. 2025 draft. Hawks are at 13 and willing to move.
2. Derik Queen is available. Pels had him 5th or 6th on their board. To get him at 13 is great value in a vacuum, but drafts do not happen in a vacuum.
3. Pels offer 2026 R1 pick for 13th pick in 2025. Atlanta demands no protections to agree to the trade.
4. Pels consider the probabilities. Mathematically, the probability is high that the Pels will not be selected in the lottery and that their pick will be somewhere after, maybe long after 5. The probability is low that they get drawn at all for 1-4 and extremely low that they get chosen #1.
5. So, you play the probabilities and get a guy now at a value where you think you may end up in next year's draft, or do you hold the pick gambling that somehow the ping pong balls will be in your favor even though the math says that will probably not happen.
They gambled with the higher probability and won. They get Derik Queen for an 8th round pick, which given his performance last year and his potential is pretty good value at 8. Most fans wanted them to gamble on the lower probability because they operate on an uninformed notion that your number gets drawn more often than it does.
Remember, in their whole history in NOLA, they have been drawn in any spot in the lottery exactly twice. Twice in over 20 years, yet fans lost their marbles because Joe Dumars didn't want to test those odds.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:53 pm to Demps
quote:
Good luck? You could have had 2 more draft picks
I'm talking about the result of the lottery. Its good luck the pick wasnt higher.
Posted on 5/12/26 at 12:58 pm to whatiknowsofar
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We bitch even when we have good luck.
Good luck? Like when Dumars traded the Pacers pick way to early and their best player tears his Achilles right after and they lose their third best player in free agency making the pick much more valuable?
Pacers probably throw in a future first or another player after the injury to get that pick back.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 12:58 pm
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