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3 pt Shooting on team projecting into next season
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:12 am
CJ and T Murph are good.
Jones is decent for a big.
Beyond that: Herb Jones, Devonte Graham (volume at poorish %), Kira Lewis, Alvarado, and Naji are all pretty bad at this point. Ingram has had better days beyond arc in past but this year has not been good. Maybe he benefits most from Zion on court.
Which players are capable of getting better in this area?
How do we add players that add to this skill set on roster? Which players are valuable and expendable that can net us back a shooter in a trade?
Jones is decent for a big.
Beyond that: Herb Jones, Devonte Graham (volume at poorish %), Kira Lewis, Alvarado, and Naji are all pretty bad at this point. Ingram has had better days beyond arc in past but this year has not been good. Maybe he benefits most from Zion on court.
Which players are capable of getting better in this area?
How do we add players that add to this skill set on roster? Which players are valuable and expendable that can net us back a shooter in a trade?
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Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:15 am to Chad504boy
We need at least two more three point shooters. There is not much that will shake up our starting lineup of CJ, BI, Herb, Zion and JV, but having Zion on the court instead of Jaxson camped in the corner will do wonders for spacing.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:17 am to saints5021
i guess our short term hope is that Ingram and Graham have a better year with Zion on court.
Herb Jones puts all his offseason focus into becoming a 3 and D threat over next 2 years.
Herb Jones puts all his offseason focus into becoming a 3 and D threat over next 2 years.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:21 am to Chad504boy
We need to get another shooter in the draft or package our 1st (via LAL) and Graham for a veteran shooter.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:21 am to Chad504boy
I think whomever they target in the draft, and whomever they target with the Graham/Temple salaries will have to be a plus 3 point shooter.
They obviously need to get better there.
BI regaining 3pt form would be a big deal internally.
They obviously need to get better there.
BI regaining 3pt form would be a big deal internally.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:23 am to Fun Bunch
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BI regaining 3pt form would be a big deal internally.
If this happens and Herb takes a slight jump and Trey just continues on his path, it's not as bad as it seems.
I do agree I want another sniper with that lotto pick, but it's not a terrible scenario.
Hell DG acclimating and returning to his normal form is likely, too.
We have 3PT options/potential options, we just need things to progress (and in some cases, revert) naturally.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:28 am to Chad504boy
We are so bad, we will have to add someone to significantly improve us.
I like Graham, he seems like a great teammate, but I dont see him being here next year. At least past the deadline. He's an odd man out because Jose has to and will get more minutes next year.
I think being realistic, you have to expect relatively the same numbers from CJ and BI. Though Zion should help BI in that his contested shots will probably drop, in turn making it easier on him.
So you have to hope that at least two out of Herb, Trey (the % is fine, just need more volume), Jaxson, and Jose improve.
I like Graham, he seems like a great teammate, but I dont see him being here next year. At least past the deadline. He's an odd man out because Jose has to and will get more minutes next year.
I think being realistic, you have to expect relatively the same numbers from CJ and BI. Though Zion should help BI in that his contested shots will probably drop, in turn making it easier on him.
So you have to hope that at least two out of Herb, Trey (the % is fine, just need more volume), Jaxson, and Jose improve.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:28 am to Chad504boy
If I could force a trade like in 2k, I'd do Devonte for Kevin Huerter. I think that's the kind of move we need, a 3&D G/F that is more 3 than D but has enough size to work on defense.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:29 am to iwyLSUiwy
Nance seems decent for a big. Maybe he continues filling a void left by jax.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:29 am to iwyLSUiwy
One of Kira or Graham has to go. You can't send Jose back to the bench and there are not enough minutes for all 3 of them.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:31 am to iwyLSUiwy
One thing I can't really explain on BI...
All season you see guys like Graham, Trey, CJ getting wide open 3s multiple times per game.
I feel like it's a very, very rare occurrence for BI to get a wiiiiide open catch & shoot. And I don't really understand why. You could definitely argue his gravity vs guys like Graham/ Trey, but when it comes to a dude standing at the 3pt line, CJ has at the very least as much gravity as BI, I'd argue more. But somehow CJ always gets wide open 3s while I just don't recall BI getting these every game.
All season you see guys like Graham, Trey, CJ getting wide open 3s multiple times per game.
I feel like it's a very, very rare occurrence for BI to get a wiiiiide open catch & shoot. And I don't really understand why. You could definitely argue his gravity vs guys like Graham/ Trey, but when it comes to a dude standing at the 3pt line, CJ has at the very least as much gravity as BI, I'd argue more. But somehow CJ always gets wide open 3s while I just don't recall BI getting these every game.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:32 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I like Graham, he seems like a great teammate, but I dont see him being here next year.
On top of that...sometimes coaches need to be saved from themselves.
It is pretty clear that politically, Willie feels like he has to play DG. He needs to be saved from that just by moving DG.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
3 point shooting
Interior defense
Primary ball handler
Are the three things I think need to improve next year for this team to really become a title contender.
I think there is some decent hope Ingram/Graham return to their career averages and a healthy Zion elevates everyone’s shooting. That said I’d love another shooter added via the draft or trade.
Primary ball handler may be OK if CJ adjusts to this role, Alvarado/Kira improve. Unlikely to get immediate help here through the draft given the in-house options.
Interior defense I’m not sure what to say. I guess wait another year hoping for Hayes to figure something out. If there is a decent defensive big on the board when we pick I would like to see it.
Interior defense
Primary ball handler
Are the three things I think need to improve next year for this team to really become a title contender.
I think there is some decent hope Ingram/Graham return to their career averages and a healthy Zion elevates everyone’s shooting. That said I’d love another shooter added via the draft or trade.
Primary ball handler may be OK if CJ adjusts to this role, Alvarado/Kira improve. Unlikely to get immediate help here through the draft given the in-house options.
Interior defense I’m not sure what to say. I guess wait another year hoping for Hayes to figure something out. If there is a decent defensive big on the board when we pick I would like to see it.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Wouldn't mind signing Joe Ingles, good 3 point shooter and his defense with Herb and Alvarado would be fun to watch. That is if he comes back from acl injury
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 11:37 am
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:40 am to shel311
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I feel like it's a very, very rare occurrence for BI to get a wiiiiide open catch & shoot. And I don't really understand why. You could definitely argue his gravity vs guys like Graham/ Trey, but when it comes to a dude standing at the 3pt line, CJ has at the very least as much gravity as BI, I'd argue more. But somehow CJ always gets wide open 3s while I just don't recall BI getting these every game.
This includes his Portland numbers, but this season
CJ takes 7.6 3s per game. 3.2 are open, and 2.6 are wide open, so 76% open or wide open 3s LINK
BI takes 4.1 per game. 2.1 are open and .9 are wide open, so 73% Not that different than CJ's numbers LINK
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:43 am to TigerinATL
2.6 vs 0.9 seems like a huge difference.
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:45 am to shel311
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2.6 vs 0.9 seems like a huge difference.
Not as a percentage. Ingram takes fewer 3s than CJ largely because he's the primary facilitator for the team. If he shifted back to more off ball minutes with Zion on the floor, his 3 point attempts probably go up and hopefully his percentages would return to where they were.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 11:47 am
Posted on 4/27/22 at 11:47 am to TigerinATL
quote:I hear you but I'd think generally speaking if either of those guys get the ball wide open at the 3pt line, you want them to shoot it more often than not.
Not as a percentage. Ingram takes fewer 3s than CJ largely because he's the primary facilitator for the team
So is Ingram not getting the ball wide open at the 3pt line 3 times less than CJ or is he getting the ball and turning down the wide open 3 three times more than CJ?
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:00 pm to TigerinATL
The issue with Heurter is that he has to take minutes from someone. He isn’t starting, and you probably don’t want he and Murphy out there at the same time too much. If he takes Grahams minutes then you’re essentially committing to Jose as your only bench ball handler.
He also takes a surprising number of mid range shots (35% of his attempts this year) and that’s another thing we don’t really need. He’s a spot up specialist who’s a poor defender. We already have Trey at a third of the cost.
He isn’t a primary ball handler, so he’ll have to play with Jose or CJ. He’s not a guy who will play small ball 4. He’s certainly an upgrade over guys like Naji or Snell, but those guys aren’t getting tons of minutes anyway. All he would do is take minutes away from Trey and get paid $15 million. That’s what a lot of people are mad at Graham for
He also takes a surprising number of mid range shots (35% of his attempts this year) and that’s another thing we don’t really need. He’s a spot up specialist who’s a poor defender. We already have Trey at a third of the cost.
He isn’t a primary ball handler, so he’ll have to play with Jose or CJ. He’s not a guy who will play small ball 4. He’s certainly an upgrade over guys like Naji or Snell, but those guys aren’t getting tons of minutes anyway. All he would do is take minutes away from Trey and get paid $15 million. That’s what a lot of people are mad at Graham for
Posted on 4/27/22 at 12:04 pm to saints5021
quote:could make a case for both and not just one. But Obviously at least one has to tho. We all know who we would pick
One of Kira or Graham has to go.
This post was edited on 4/27/22 at 12:05 pm
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