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re: 2022-23 Lakers Thread
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:06 pm to Epic Cajun
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:06 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Chances are that Westbrook wouldn't even play for them
I feel very secure in predicting that Westbrook will either play for the Lakers next season, or he won't play at all. That's what Westbrook's former agent hinted at, and he's correct.
If the Lakers can't trade Westbrook, then they have to try to make it work with him and hope that Darvin Ham can get him to play in a way that doesn't hurt the team.
But if Westbrook is traded, then whoever ends up with him is going to tank this season. They are going to suck, because Westbrook is currently a very negative player, and the impact metrics such as 538's RAPTOR and B-Ball Index's LEBRON both put his on-court impact as being worse than a replacement player from the G-League. He's that bad now.
So, if you're a rebuilding team that wants to tank, then you don't need Westbrook to actually play and lead the tank. You can just send him home and let your draft picks and two-way players tank and see what you have with them and if they can improve. It's not like Westbrook is some great off-the-court leader and mentor that you're going to want him around.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 4:08 pm
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:15 pm to ghost2most
shite meet wall
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
But if Westbrook is traded, then whoever ends up with him is going to tank this season. They are going to suck, because Westbrook is currently a very negative player, and the impact metrics such as 538's RAPTOR and B-Ball Index's LEBRON both put his on-court impact as being worse than a replacement player from the G-League. He's that bad now.
So, if you're a rebuilding team that wants to tank, then you don't need Westbrook to actually play and lead the tank. You can just send him home and let your draft picks and two-way players tank and see what you have with them and if they can improve. It's not like Westbrook is some great off-the-court leader and mentor that you're going to want him around.
This doesn't match up with each other. You are saying that Westbrook is bad, a negative player. But yet you can't tank with him. Why?
Westbrook isn't bad. He just doesn't fit with James. You put him on the Spurs and they are a borderline playin team. The Spurs would have a better record than the Lakers I'd he went there and played..
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:27 pm to ghost2most
Much like Jordan is the GOAT player, Isiah Thomas is still the WOAT GM over LeBron.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:28 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Westbrook isn't bad. He just doesn't fit with James.
If Westbrook is traded, it'll be his 5th team in 5 years. He's not bad ... he's terrible. He was a negative player with Washington before the Lakers traded for him. That's why I was so confident last season that we had a good shot at the Lakers pick.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:31 pm to teke184
Any GM that has 4 rings and 10 finals appearances over a 15 year span you would think would be considered one of the best ever? 
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:36 pm to longhorn22
If a GM did what LeBron did to his teams he would’ve been fired and never hired onto his second team
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:47 pm to Epic Cajun
Read above
Put that resume on any GM
What do they say?
Put that resume on any GM
What do they say?
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:48 pm to Epic Cajun
Again… the reading comprehension just goes out the window
It’s not hard.
It’s not hard.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:01 pm to longhorn22
If he was strictly a GM he would not get the opportunity to do what he did. He would win a championship, and then have a shite roster 3 years later and get fired
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:03 pm to longhorn22
quote:
Any GM that has 4 rings and 10 finals appearances over a 15 year span you would think would be considered one of the best ever?
Easily could have been more if LeGM wasn't actively sabotaging Riley, Griff, and Pelinka's team management by pushing for boneheaded and nepotistic moves everywhere he lands.
Like already pointed out to you, Lebron the player, and in this case, the other GM's, do a lot of extra heavy lifting to make up for LeGM.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:07 pm to Epic Cajun
But that’s not what was said nor is the resume.
Come on…
Trying to continuously take things out of context
Come on…
Trying to continuously take things out of context
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:26 pm to brmark70816
quote:He didn't say you cant tank with him.
But yet you can't tank with him. Why?
He said if you're going to tank, it's better to do it without Russ so you can get more playing time for you here guys to evaluate them.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:31 pm to shel311
Waiting for someone to post the Haynes article..
Posted on 7/18/22 at 5:41 pm to longhorn22
Thanks for the tip. Here it is:
LINK
Key grafs:
The part that I love the most: "was organized." Pelinka told all of them that no trade was happening anytime soon, and they needed to pretend to make nice to get the negativity out of the news cycle, that they were hurting the Lakers chance of actually making a trade by destroying their leverage.
Edit: That's basic logic that even Klutch can understand.
LINK
Key grafs:
quote:
The Los Angeles Lakers’ Big 3 of LeBron James, Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook huddled up on a phone conversation the first weekend of NBA Summer League in Las Vegas with each expressing their commitment to one another and vowing to make it work, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
While the uncertainty of Westbrook’s future with the Lakers remains, the conversation was organized to make sure all three were on the same page as long as they’re joined together in their pursuit of a championship, sources said.
The part that I love the most: "was organized." Pelinka told all of them that no trade was happening anytime soon, and they needed to pretend to make nice to get the negativity out of the news cycle, that they were hurting the Lakers chance of actually making a trade by destroying their leverage.
Edit: That's basic logic that even Klutch can understand.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
the lakers are a pathetic clown show
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:10 pm to cgrand
quote:
the lakers are a pathetic clown show
Should be the title of Zach Lowe's latest podcast. He tries to be nice about it, but it is delightfully negative.
quote:
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 28m
Lowe Post podcast: @mcten on the Lakers situation, Russell Westbrook trade rumors, LeBron's future, more; then @Herring_NBA and I on the (offseason) silence of the Chicago Bulls -- and where they go from here:
Apple: LINK
Spotify: LINK
Posted on 7/18/22 at 7:28 pm to TigerinATL
Just listened to part of that podcast on the drive and it sort of paints an opposite picture of the Yahoo article.
Lowe and his guest said that despite Westbrook being less than 100 feet from Lebron, basically refused to go see Lebron at Summer League(they jokingly framed it as mutual snubbing), that things are past the breaking point. Westbrook has rebelled against the idea of following Ham’s desire to get Westbrook to be a defender, cutter, corner three shooter(apparently shot above 40% from there, which is both surprising and speaks to how terrible his overall shot selection is that he managed to get it down to below 30% overall), but Russ will have none of it and that’s what prompted the break up with his agent. Russ wants out but no one wants him and they suspect the only option may be a asset attached trade(THC + pick), buy out, then minimum contract somewhere, but that the market is pretty dried up. But speculated Lebron may use his unsigned extension eligibility to pressure that trade.
Also said it wouldn’t surprise them that with how toxic it’s getting that they simply ask Russ to go home and not report to the team
Lowe and his guest said that despite Westbrook being less than 100 feet from Lebron, basically refused to go see Lebron at Summer League(they jokingly framed it as mutual snubbing), that things are past the breaking point. Westbrook has rebelled against the idea of following Ham’s desire to get Westbrook to be a defender, cutter, corner three shooter(apparently shot above 40% from there, which is both surprising and speaks to how terrible his overall shot selection is that he managed to get it down to below 30% overall), but Russ will have none of it and that’s what prompted the break up with his agent. Russ wants out but no one wants him and they suspect the only option may be a asset attached trade(THC + pick), buy out, then minimum contract somewhere, but that the market is pretty dried up. But speculated Lebron may use his unsigned extension eligibility to pressure that trade.
Also said it wouldn’t surprise them that with how toxic it’s getting that they simply ask Russ to go home and not report to the team
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 8:59 pm to Bronc
quote:
Westbrook has rebelled against the idea of following Ham’s desire to get Westbrook to be a defender, cutter, corner three shooter(apparently shot above 40% from there,
1. defense
2. moving without the ball
3. hitting 3s from the corner at 40%
id love to discuss his objections. for now i hope it isn't his position. its just too awful.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 9:34 pm to Bronc
At best, LA through they could change him into something better, despite him being a worse fit for what the team needed than Caruso, Hield, etc.
At worst, they really DID think bringing in a guy with a very inefficient style who needs the ball to be effective would work well next to LeBron as opposed to the normal blueprint around him, which is 3 and D guys to cover his defensive issues and spread the floor for him on offense.
At worst, they really DID think bringing in a guy with a very inefficient style who needs the ball to be effective would work well next to LeBron as opposed to the normal blueprint around him, which is 3 and D guys to cover his defensive issues and spread the floor for him on offense.
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