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re: 2022-23 Lakers Thread
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:47 pm to touchdownjeebus
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:47 pm to touchdownjeebus
Marc Stein saying the Knicks will look to bring Westbrook in if they can get Mitchell.
Someone is going to bail them out aren’t they?
Someone is going to bail them out aren’t they?
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Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:49 pm to Soggymoss
Who are they trading for Russ?
If the answer is anyone but Randle, I would be sorely disappointed.
If the answer is anyone but Randle, I would be sorely disappointed.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:50 pm to teke184
Yes...it would most likely be Randle.
Interesting fit/take...
Interesting fit/take...
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:52 pm to longhorn22
Randle is a guy who is a weird fit on any roster not constructed around him.
This may get them off Westbrook but Randle ties them up long term and this is a guy they wouldn’t even give a qualifying offer to about three years ago.
This may get them off Westbrook but Randle ties them up long term and this is a guy they wouldn’t even give a qualifying offer to about three years ago.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:52 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Randle likely to come back, I wouldn't call that a bailout.
Someone is going to bail them out aren’t they?
I'd argue it's much worse to not get off the Russ expiring and instead add I think 3 more years of Randle at nearly $30mil. Gross.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:54 pm to shel311
That’s not even going into salary matching, provided the Knicks can’t clear room elsewhere.
To get $47m in Westbrook sent out, they likely have to take Randle and Fournier for the money to come out right.
Fournier brings what the Lakers need to a degree but that is a LOT of money in future contracts if LeBron won’t commit past this season.
To get $47m in Westbrook sent out, they likely have to take Randle and Fournier for the money to come out right.
Fournier brings what the Lakers need to a degree but that is a LOT of money in future contracts if LeBron won’t commit past this season.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 2:57 pm to teke184
Definitely interesting… 
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:18 pm to teke184
quote:
That’s not even going into salary matching, provided the Knicks can’t clear room elsewhere.
To get $47m in Westbrook sent out, they likely have to take Randle and Fournier for the money to come out right.
Fournier brings what the Lakers need to a degree but that is a LOT of money in future contracts if LeBron won’t commit past this season.
Sounds like the Knicks would be trying to get off of long term salary. Would the Lakers really trade Westbrook for Randle and Fournier if it meant they didn't have to give up picks to get off of Westbrook?
If the Knicks are taking in Mitchell and Westbrook they would essentially have to send out Randle, Fournier, and Rose, along with a couple other cheaper pieces. Weird trade, but I guess they need to get off of long term salary to stay under the tax if they want to pay RJ Barrett next offseason, while still having Mitchell, Brunson, Robinson on the roster. You don't want to pay the tax with a team that will be in the lower half of the playoff picture
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:21 pm to Epic Cajun
Jazz still need to get a piece to offset their $30m outgoing.
The trade I put together sent Mitchell Robinson and picks to Utah, Westbrook and Mitchell to the Knicks, and Rose, Randle, and Fournier to the Lakers.
Net was that the Knicks and Lakers each added about $7m in salaries while the Jazz decreased their cap number.
The trade I put together sent Mitchell Robinson and picks to Utah, Westbrook and Mitchell to the Knicks, and Rose, Randle, and Fournier to the Lakers.
Net was that the Knicks and Lakers each added about $7m in salaries while the Jazz decreased their cap number.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:27 pm to teke184
You can also do:
Knicks:
Mitchell
Westbrook
Lakers:
Randle
Fournier
Jazz:
Rose
Quickley
Reddish
Can't trade Mitchell Robinson for a couple months because he just signed, and the Jazz don't want long term salary anyway. Could also move Reddish from Jazz to Lakers if the Jazz don't see value in him, and the trade would still work.
Knicks:
Mitchell
Westbrook
Lakers:
Randle
Fournier
Jazz:
Rose
Quickley
Reddish
Can't trade Mitchell Robinson for a couple months because he just signed, and the Jazz don't want long term salary anyway. Could also move Reddish from Jazz to Lakers if the Jazz don't see value in him, and the trade would still work.
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:29 pm to teke184
I know Mitchell personally, great kid don't know if going to Utah would be "fun" for him, but I do think the coach they just hired will be successful in the NBA.
What he has been able to accomplish as a nice role big for the Knicks thus far is great.
What he has been able to accomplish as a nice role big for the Knicks thus far is great.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:35 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Can't trade Mitchell Robinson for a couple months because he just signed, and the Jazz don't want long term salary anyway. Could also move Reddish from Jazz to Lakers if the Jazz don't see value in him, and the trade would still work.
Makes sense.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:44 pm to longhorn22
Jeremy Sochan knows what’s up:
Jeremy Sochan with the Honest Answer in Rapid Fire Question About Westbrook
Jeremy Sochan with the Honest Answer in Rapid Fire Question About Westbrook
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:47 pm to longhorn22
quote:
Marc Stein saying the Knicks will look to bring Westbrook in if they can get Mitchell.
This makes no sense at all. Why would you want three small guards making huge money?
This post was edited on 7/18/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:49 pm to teke184
If the Lakers get Randle and Fournier, I would feel a little worse about the 2023 pickswap, but a lot better about the 2025 pick.
That's a lot of future salary commitment to guys who aren't very good (but are much better than what they have now for sure), and I don't think Lebron is playing in 2025.
That's a lot of future salary commitment to guys who aren't very good (but are much better than what they have now for sure), and I don't think Lebron is playing in 2025.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:52 pm to Mulkey Man
quote:
This makes no sense at all. Why would you want three small guards making huge money?
I assume it would be a 1 year "sacrifice" to clear a ton of salary for future years.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:54 pm to Mulkey Man
quote:
This makes no sense at all. Why would you want three small guards making huge money?
They wouldn't be doing it because they think Westbrook is good, they would be doing it to get off of long term salary. Chances are that Westbrook wouldn't even play for them, it would just be a way for them to wipe clean the Randle and Fournier deals. Otherwise, when they have to pay RJ, they would be going deep into the tax for a mediocre team. You really want to push off the tax for as long as possible.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 3:59 pm to GOP_Tiger
The Lakers beat writer for The Athletic, Jovan Buha, has a new story up with my kind of headline:
LINK
In the Russell Westbrook-Lakers saga, the worst may be yet to come
Buha examines in detail the statement from Westbrook's former agent and ultimately compares him to an aging Allen Iverson, who also refused to adapt his game to be a positive player as he aged and his athleticism declined.
His conclusion:
LINK
In the Russell Westbrook-Lakers saga, the worst may be yet to come
Buha examines in detail the statement from Westbrook's former agent and ultimately compares him to an aging Allen Iverson, who also refused to adapt his game to be a positive player as he aged and his athleticism declined.
quote:
The subtext to Foucher’s language was that Westbrook doesn’t want to adhere to new coach Darvin Ham’s vision for him: Westbrook becoming a defense-first point guard who plays more off the ball than he did last season (and of any season of his career). This, of course, isn’t surprising, as the Lakers used similar framing with Westbrook’s projected role last season and it never came to fruition. Westbrook has no interest in role-player tasks.
His conclusion:
quote:
If it’s true that Westbrook isn’t willing to accept the role Ham is asking of him, then the Lakers need to strongly consider alternative options if they can’t trade Westbrook, including the drastic scenario of sending him home and paying him $47.1 million to stay away from the team. No Westbrook is better than last season’s inefficient and ill-fitting Westbrook.
This situation seems like it will only get uglier.
Posted on 7/18/22 at 4:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
Lebron is the worst GM of all time
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